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• Rule 18.3, except the Starboard boat ducks.
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• When do class rules apply?
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  Jim Archer 25-Apr-14 04:28

• R16.1, R43.1(b) within R18
  To further Michael's thought, Einstein taught us that space and time are inextricably linked.  :-D
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• Contact Between Teammates
  This is one of the changes that we in the UK are adapting to. The old D2.2(c)in the 21-24 book was applied in the UK as meaning that, as long as a boat spun the incident was closed and Umpires could take no further action. Under the 25-28 rules the umpires can now penalise the boat that broke the role regardless of any spins (and as case book and manual says, should penalise).  
    As commented, though, you have to be certain that the boat broke a rule.
  Nigel Vick 25-Apr-18 11:04
• When do class rules apply?
  I honestly have no idea what they are trying to say, but ultimately what matters is not what they are trying to say, or what their intention was, but what is actually written. I have parsed many legal documents and although this is not technically a legal document, it should be written clearly. I'm not just being pedantic; this is hard to parse. 
  
  But the easiest fix is to get the OA for the upcoming regatta to amend the NoR to address their desire for the class rules. That regatta is still several weeks away and I know the people who run it so I'll give them a call. 
  Jim Archer 25-Apr-17 16:03
• Rule 18.3, except the Starboard boat ducks.
   James Mercer One question I have on the scenario would be how should the circle extend.
  
  

   Assuming the boats are close together that no one is free to move

  
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   does boat 3 get to tack first

  
  

  No.
  
  Green is the same tack leeward boat, entering the zone clear ahead of both Red and Blue.  Green has right of way (RRS 12) and is entitled to mark-room (RRS 18.2(a)(2)).
  
  Green may luff up and attack Red/Blue, and as long as she does not get outside the mark-room to which she is entitled, that is, initially, the direct corridor to the mark (Case 75), she will be exonerated for breaking RRS 16 by RRS 43.1(b), but if she passes head to wind (tacks) the following things will happen:

  • Green will lose right of way and be required to keep clear of Red and Blue (RRS 13),
  • RRS 18 will cease to apply (RRS 18.1(a)(1) or (2), and Green will lose her entitlement to mark-room and to any exoneration under RRS 43.1(b).

  See  Case 15 
  
  Disregarding Green, Red is the same tack leeward boat on Blue, entering the zone overlapped outside Blue  Red has right of way over Blue (RRS 11), but is required to give Blue mark-room (RRS (18.2(a)(1)).
  
  Red can luff up and attack Blue while they are outside the zone, subject only giving Blue room to keep clear in accordance with RRS 16.1, but once the first of them reaches the zone, any luff by Red will probably be denying Blue her mark-room and breaking RRS 18.2(a)(1).
  
  Blue is required to keep clear of Red but is entitled to mark-room.  Once Blue reaches a position where she can round the mark, she is entitled to do that, that is to say, she is entitled to room to luff up around the mark (including room for her stern to kick out, or to release a headsail to facilitate luffing to windward) UNTIL she passes head to wind, at which point /RRS 18 will cease to apply (RRS 18.1(a)(1) or (2)) and Blue will lose her entitlement to mark-room and to any exoneration under RRS 43.1(b).
  
  

   despite being the most outside boat and stopping boat 1 the inside most boat from getting around because they have to tack early to avoid the starboard boat.

  
  

  Going back to Craig's original diagram, the crux of the scenario is that when Green tacks onto starboard, she is so close to Red that her RRS 15 obligation to initially give room means that Red/Blue don't need to tack away early.  If G had been coming in on starboard from 2 or 3 hull lengths further out then she would have had Red and Blue on toast and could have bounced them away from the layline.

  
  

   It's my understanding that the circle should extend similar to a leeward mark with overlap having been established boat 3 and 2 can not go until 1 can tack and make the mark

  
  
  Yes that's right:  Blue is pinning Red and Green out. 
  
  Just as a tactical comment:  Green has nobody but herself to blame for being a marshmallow.  Any time she could have closed up the lee bow and squished Red out the back and got ahead and to windward with freedom to tack.
  John Allan 25-Apr-16 06:17

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