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  • I agree that it isn't a great system. I think the idea is that it gives weight to the final race between the teams. 

    You could change D4.4(c) to be 'if two teams remain tied, the winner of the last race between them, including races in an incomplete round-robin. 

    I am not a fan of D4.4(b) as teams racing should be about the win/loss not so much about the points the team has scored.  If there is an incomplete round-robin I would want it to count before we start tallying up points between teams. 

    Wed 01:28
  • Of course W will try to claim that the overlap was created after completing the tack. I have seen that.
    Simple diagramming will show that if she was too close to complete her tack dead ahead of L, then an overlap was inevitable before W was on course.
    A more aggressive action for L would be to anticipate W's tack and to luff as W passes, taking control, perhaps even before W crosses head to wind.
    Then only 13 comes into play. (Mostly.)
    Mon 19:07
  • Philip, the non-interference rule doesn't really address the subtlety I'm attempting to explore.

    This latest thought-experiment (my latest rabbit-hole) was spawned from a decision I recently wrote.

    There were unique characteristics of that situation which, at first,  I had included a boat's RRS 14's "obligations" into the room that boat was already entitled to under RRS 18 and/or RRS 11.  In other words, I had a boat's RRS 14 "obligations" influencing the size and character of the room she was entitled to, already granted from under another rule.

    I worked with an experienced Judge on that decision and he pointed out to me (after quite a bit of Socratic learning on my part, and patience on his) that, in that particular situation, my referencing RRS 14 was unnecessary and I could get the same room for that boat without it.

    So, I asked myself, "Would that always be the case?" ...

    I started trying to invent and imagine scenarios where referring to RRS 14's obligations, within the room entitled by a separate rule, would be necessary.  I don't think I've come-up with a solid scenario yet .. so I thought I'd put it out to the forum to see if folk out there can come up with one and get their input on if/how they have applied RRS 14's obligations into already-entitled room.

    I'm not suggesting anything is wrong with the RRS 14 or "room" ... just trying to figure out the characteristics of scenarios to keep an eye out for in the future .. if they even exist.

    Ang
    19-May-15 17:16
  • One could display Xray visible only on the extension side of the signal boat.
    Proper starters would see no flag and sail on.
    That would not require a SI.
    No help for pin end extension violations, sadly.
    19-May-10 19:31
  • More important than the position of the boats is getting the bias correct. Once sailors are convinced that one end is favoured it is very difficult to get them to change their mind.
    I have used a port end committee boat, where we have had multiple fleets starting and use a lapping gate. If the lapping gate is to port and the starting line to starboard there is more chance that, if the lapping boats catch up with a start sequence, they are less likely to have to fight their way through boats approaching their start.
    Ideally, everyone should have started by the time the first boat laps but a recall or error is always a possibility.
    19-May-06 09:01