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  John Quirk Today 14:00
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• Is There a Case in the Future for A Less-Formal Meditation Process
   There already exist ways of addressing rules disputes 'less formally'
  
  RYA Advisory Meeting
  
  https://www.rya.org.uk/racing/rules/rya-rules-disputes-process/
  
  There are problems:
  
  By providing an 'official' venue to rake over incidents but without protest validity or 'official finality', you are actually encouraging a 'no protest' culture, and where the Advisory Meeting 'concludes' that a boat had dead set broken a rule, you then run into possible ill will if the boat doesn't then take a PRP or retire, and possible Rule 2 complaints about knowing that she has broken a rule and not taking a penalty.
  
  I obviously don't like the idea.  In my opinion it is dumbing down the sport, and it erodes the responsibility of competitors to enforce the rules.
  John Allan Today 23:12
• Class breaks in handicap racing
  definitely agree, although ORC seems to have issues with full-keel boats for some reason.
  Niko Kotsatos Today 14:32
• Can a boat break RRS 2 while breaking RRS 23.1?
  Ben makes some great points.  As far as RRS 42.1's use of "compete", IMO, it's unnecessary in the sentence and does not add any value or information as far as I can tell (and might even be a source of ambiguity as Ben infers).
  
  Part 4's preamble already limits its rules to while a boat is racing. Therefore, 42.1 seems perfectly fine without "compete" as ... 
  
  

  42.1 Basic Rule
  Except when permitted in rule 42.3 or 45, a boat shall compete by using [use] only the wind and water to increase, maintain or decrease her speed. 

  
  
  I'm fine with def:racing as it's defined.
  
  In regards to my OP question, IMO, a boat is always in an assumed-state of "competing" while they are racing.  The open-end in that "assumed-state" is when does a boat "retire"?  (and how do others know as there is no defined method/signal/indicator in the RRS). 
  
  We've had other threads on that question, and the use of that term, as it would be cleaner if "retire" was only used when a boat takes a penalty (since the RRS specifically refers to RET as a penalty a boat can take).  For instance, boats might call to the RC and say they are retiring when the race goes dead-calm ... but many RC's will score that as DNF or TLE (if TLE is added in SI's) and not RET.
  Angelo Guarino Today 13:13
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  Same to everyone too, from the Philippines...

  

  John Quirk Today 04:08
• 2 questions on 18.3.
  Are we assuming 15 and 16.1 do not apply?
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