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10 CommentsPJohn Allan, Fri 15:37
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25 CommentsJolene George, Thu 22:48
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23 CommentsStephen Lomnes, Tue 17:19
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2 CommentsPAngelo Guarino, Tue 11:04
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41 CommentsDoc Sullivan, 26-Aug-28 12:56
Recent Comments
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I follow Angelo's argument.
When we create a prohibited line or area in the SI, we usually designate it as an obstruction, so that a tactically aggressive boat cannot 'herd' another boat across the line, causing them to break the rule. If the line is an obstruction they cannot do this because RRS 19 requires them to give room.
Lets go back to the problem Jolene was trying to solve,
Boats, beating to the finishing line on starboard tack in the prevailing SW breeze at the venue, can hail for room to tack at Mark H if it is an obstruction, and will then tack onto port tack in the face of an oncoming fleet of starboard tack boats. If outside boats within hail do not respond to the hail for room to tack, or if hailed boats do not pass on the hail there is a risk of collision.
I'll repeat the chart image, rotated to show top down, the prevailing SW breeze at the venue.
Note that the rocks or shallows referred to are the 2.6 and 2.9 spot depths towards the upper left of the image: Mark H is not actually at or over the rocks and is surrounded by navigable water.
I think the Jolene and the club are trying to achieve a number of 'competing' aims:- Deter boats from sailing close to the shallows.
- Remove the advantage that shallower draft boats may gain by sailing close to the shore or breakwater, where deeper draft boats cannot go.
- Keep the sightline of the RO from the tower up the starting/finishing line unobstructed by boats not racing.
- Not unnecessarily create a difficult RRS situation, with port tack boats crossing starboard tack boats approaching the finishing line.
SI requiring boats to start and finish between Mark H and Mark A will achieve the first and second of these aims, whether Mark H is an obstruction or not.
A SI prohibiting boats from sailing through the line between the Tower and Mark H will achieve the third aim.- If the SI do not designate the prohibited line as an obstruction:
- at the finishing line, RRS 18 Mark-Room applies at Mark H, but boats can pass on the wrong side of Mark H in safety and without breaking any other rule.
- the risk of boats being forced to tack onto port in the face of oncoming starboard tack boats is avoided.
- there is a risk that tactically aggressive boats can 'herd' other boats across the prohibited line, causing them to break a rule and be penalised.
- If the SI designate the prohibited line as an obstruction:
- at the finishing line, RRS 19 and 20 apply at Mark H, and a boat may hail for and be entitled to room to tack onto port across the finishing fleet on starboard
- the risk of boats being 'herded' across the prohibited line and penalised is avoided.
If I was the race officer I would be keen on a solution that achieves the third aim. I can forsee boats coming from the marina inside the breakwater trying to take the shortcut to the starting/finishing area between the breakwater and Mark H and obstructing my vision just when I am trying to observe boats at the starting or finishing line.
I think it is up to Jolene and the club to decide what relative weight they want to put on the various aims (and any other considerations) and make their choices.
I think that Angelo has persuaded me that designating the line between the Tower and Mark H as an obstruction is the better course for the reason I suggested in my very first post, that is, that although boats being entitled to hail for and be given room to tack away from Mark H creates an increased risk of right of way and collision incidents, particularly when hailed boats do not comply with RRS 20, this risk that should be regarded as adequately controlled by the RRS: OA/race committees should be wary of piling up SI obligations based on assumptions that boats will disobey the RRS.John Allan Today 07:38 -
You have made me realize that I spend too much time practicing starts, and not enough time practicing finishes.Justin Scott Today 05:08
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There may be several reasonable opportunities before finishing when boats cross each other on different legs.
Yes John, I agree. I meant there may be no reasonable opportunity on some courses and so there seemed to be some suggestion that the protest needed to be raised before the NSC boat crossed the finishing line and I was merely trying to say that couldn't always be possible.Calum Polwart Yesterday 06:33 -
I have just watched the Women's regatta on mastabeam. Fantastic.Justin Scott Fri 15:04
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I see the dropbox in the form for "AI Involvement" now and hadn't noticed it earlier. Thanks for pointing it out!Stephen Lomnes Thu 21:57