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  • Simples - W was not keeping clear….
    Today 17:43
  • I think the wording of 29.1 is quite clear – the X flag is displayed after the starting signal in either of two conditions – any part of her hull is over the line OR she has to comply with 30.1. To me the intent of 29.1 is to raise the X flag after the starting signal and leave it raised until all identified boats have started properly. 

    The suggestion to raise the X flag after the prep and before the starting signal if a boat breaks 30.1 could cause confusion if for example a second boat also breaks 30.1.

    In Radio Sailing, we substitute a hail of “recall” and the offending boat’s sail number to replace the X flag, Here is an example. Watch this video and listen for the recall of #05. She did not appear to be over the line at the gun, so why was she recalled?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsPSveCvQ-c

    Look for the I flag flying (R30.1 in effect) right at the beginning of the clip? Then look at time stamp 37 seconds, where 05 drifts across the line and dips back. She crossed the line during the last minute but failed to come around one of the ends of the line before starting.

    John

    Today 17:20
  • Fair enough.

    I'm happy to accept your view then. 

    Its clear that the overwhelming opinion opposes John's proposal for whatever reason.

    I think the tribe has spoken. 
    Yesterday 15:04
  • Thomas ..
      Both Case 77 and Case 91 when taken together imply your answer I think.   Both pertain to the obligations of a keep clear boat when  the equipment of the ROW boat is out of its normal position. 

    A boom swinging from the starboard to port side is a boom operating in its normal operating positions.   A KC boat sailing DDW so close along side a ROW boat that if the ROW boat flops her boom over, without ROW changing course, that the boom hits part of the KC boat .. the KC boat has not kept clear IMO.  

    In other words, a ROW boat that has to prevent their boom from moving fully to the port side to avoid contact with a KC boat has executed "an avoiding action" IMO.  

    I think this is affirmed in the negative when you read the cases I linked to above.  In those cases they discuss the obligations of a KC boat when equipment is or moves out of its normal location.  

    IMO, unless there is a case that says otherwise, there should be nothing unexpected about a boat sailing DDW on port-tack flopping her main over such that she is sailing on starboard-tack. A KC should be keeping enough space between them to allow that.
    Fri 22:18
  • Brad:  I don't think so.  We have established that the boat on the right in the diagram, boat T, is the 'inside' boat.  She is overlapped.  But she is not a right-of-way boat, as she is the windward boat in the overlap with C.  So she must keep clear under 11.  So she doesn't meet the requirements of 18.4  She also has no need to gybe at the mark to sail her proper course.

    18.4 typically applies in a situation like the following, where boat A is inside, right-of-way (starboard tack while B is on Port), and overlapped.

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    Boat A must gybe at the mark to sail her proper course.  She can sail to her proper course, which is the one she would sail in the absence of the other boat in order to sail the course as quickly as possible, but she can sail no farther from the mark than needed to do so.  [See the definition of proper course]  So in this case, she may swing wide, then sail close to the mark as she gybes, and obey 18.4
    Fri 02:43
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