• Time limit in Handicap Racing
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  Martin Fraser Yesterday 20:47
• Three CV's on a long starting line
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  John Standley Yesterday 12:58
• Pondering Rule 3 - Are Race Officers and Organizing Authorities Over-Reaching?
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  Beau Vrolyk Yesterday 10:33
• Rule 18,2 (e) Reasonable Doubt
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  John Quirk Sat 03:21
• When is an entry an entry?
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  Paul Kimmens 26-Jan-12 14:17

• Pondering Rule 3 - Are Race Officers and Organizing Authorities Over-Reaching?
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  Jim Champ Today 16:41
• Time limit in Handicap Racing
  "... if only so that competitors, race officials and their families and friends can organise themselves" - that is/should be back to being the competitor's choice, not imposed by the race committee.  In the fuller version, I specifically said that I had no expectation that the race officials stayed out, but if a boat chooses to stay out to get a series result; or in offshore events to count qualifying miles for another event or for a sense of achievement; why not?  
  
  " More cynically, it is in a club's interest to have some idea when sailors will be back on shore clamouring for beer and food! " - I'm sure you're right on that for clubs running only local races with their own club house, but is that fair to the boats that would have had a valid series result without an arbitrary time limit?  I favour relying on the race committee's judgement in setting the course and, if necessary, shortening appropriately and in accordance with the RRS.  If it gets it slightly wrong and leaves one or two boats that choose to stay out a bit later than intended, that's not bad for business; better than leaving boats without a valid result through no fault of their own.  (Again, I specifically excluded races where safety boat cover etc is provided; I'm talking about self-sufficient keel boats, which in any case are often not berthed near any cllubhouse.)  
  
  " I am certain that within rrs.org there is someone who can produce an app that can carry out this calculation " - I'm sure there is (though the committe in question didn't have it), but it would also need each individual boat's time limit to be communicated with the boat, or you're left with boats continuing to race beyond their individual time limit, which runs counter to your other arguments.  
  Kirsteen Donaldson Today 13:44
• Three CV's on a long starting line
  Thanks All,
  Have gone with the Danish version (thanks Hans) but changed boat to vessel. Will not be using I flag so no need to add that complication.
  John Standley Today 10:06
• Time Limit Expired (TLE)
  in my opinion, is not a suitable answer in such circumstance. However, TLE encourages boats to start and make every effort to complete, which is correct for small single fleets.
   https://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/2021AppendixLG28112020-[26802].pdf golf hit
  Blackwell Gerald Yesterday 08:41
• Rule 18,2 (e) Reasonable Doubt
  Thanks again Tim and all, I have it all well in perspective now - and application subtleties etc as Michael points out...
  John Quirk Sun 01:48

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