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  • The previous rules stated:
    "A boat may
    (a) protest another boat, but not for an alleged breach of a rule of Part 2 or rule 31 unless she was involved in or saw the incident;"

    The Draft rules for 2029 state:
    A protest is invalid
    (2) if it alleges a breach of a rule of Part 2 or rule 31 and is from a boat that was neither involved in nor saw the incident,

    According to Angelo, US Sailing recommends including an NOR:

    NOR 1.# Rule 60.4 (a) (2) is changed as follows: “(2) if it alleges a breach of a rule of Part 2 or rule 31 and is from
    a boat that was not involved in, and did not see, the incident,
    or”

    The outcome of all three is the same. A boat may only protest another boat if it was involved in the incident or saw the incident.  But the current rules (without the amendment in the NOR) require that a boat is involved in the incident. So I guess my question now is "Why has World Sailing not published a correction to the 2024-2028 Rules?" 
    The last set of corrections were effective from 20 April 2026, and this error must have been known about for some time....as it is fundamental to finding whether a protest is valid or not. We cannot rely on OAs spotting this.  I recently sailed in a Championship and looking at the NOR, it did not have this amendment in the NOR. 


    Today 15:47
  • Hi Kim. Always good to hear from you. I have some fun stories from the Naples Sabot Jr. Nat's to share with you next time we talk, or perhaps over email. 
    I also thought about it tactically, since I coach high-school kids. But, as John said, that wasn't the question for this forum. We agree across the board on the answer to the rules issue. 
    The question came up in out Sunfish fleet. Also, I was involved in one where I was driving a friend's Harbor 20 around the leeward mark during our Thursday Night Thing.  A Melges 15 tacked after rounding right in front of me. The owner of the Harbor was more animated in his response than I was.
    In my discussion with the M15 sailor afterward (he is an aspiring judge), I covered the rules issues we discussed here and added that it's often not a smart decision if boats are approaching. 
    I think I sit somewhere between you and John on what would constitute "unseamanlike" and it depends on the boats and conditions, of course. If Blue could avoid Yellow with a quick luff, turndown and back up around the mark, I think that would still fall under seamanlike (as drawn, I don't think that would be an option). But if Blue luffed up hard, had to gybe to get to the mark, then gybe again to round all that close to the mark, I don't think that Y gave him room to comply with rule 31 in a seamanlike manner. Adding all the boats you put in definitely makes it impossible for Blue to comply with part 2 rules in a seamanlike way.

    As an aside, if you are using "SailReplay" there is an option to change the number of a boat in its start position. Your drawing is clear given the context of our discussion. But it confuses the times of each position
    Look forward to working with you again soon.
    Tony
    Today 14:40
  • John A .. ok .. let me try to understand the hand/foot argument. 

    • We agree a person can swim. 
    • We agree a person can stand on the bottom holding the boat fixed to the bottom. 
    • We may agree with the old Q&A that said a capsized boat that floats across the finish, pushed across solely by wind and current, gets her finish-score as long as all crew is in contact with the boat when it crosses, though they may still have their bodies in the water. 

    Take that crew holding the boat and standing on the bottom. They bend their legs at the knees and are now hanging-still holding onto the toe-rail. Is that person now breaking 42?  (How is a swimmer to return to the boat?)

    If not, why?  
    If so, are we then saying you can put your entire body in the water .. but not your hand?  Can't crew sit on the rail and have their feet touch the water?
    Today 11:14
  • Phil, How do you conclude that W was not required to act to avoid contact until it became clear that L was not keeping clear?

    L was the right of way boat.  She was not  required to keep clear.

    W was not entitled to room.
    Tue 05:10
  • Niko: I like your "the RC should always work to have an appropriate level of management commensurate with the competition level/importance" comment.

    There is one event that may partner and I run every year ... the Warneet Around French Island race. While Monica runs the briefing giving numerous examples of the flags used during the start sequence there is usually an America's Cup skipper sitting quietly and respectfully at the back of the room with his family or mates. At the other end of the spectrum we have some who have NEVER raced before or perhaps doing their second race since last year.

    During this race I tend to be very chatty on the radio to be sure that even those with the least experience have a great day on the water.

    One boat in his first year actually missed the starting line, but we considered him a starter. The next year his missed the finishing line but we gave him a finish regardless. He was so pleased that he got the start right the second year ;-)

    That said, it is quite a different matter if I am running a one-design race.
    Fri 00:07
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