• Is There a Case in the Future for A Less-Formal Meditation Process
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  John Quirk Yesterday 14:00
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  Paul Zupan Tue 19:56
• Can a boat break RRS 2 while breaking RRS 23.1?
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  Angelo Guarino Tue 11:40
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• Class breaks in handicap racing
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  Jonah Zimmerman Fri 06:18

• Can a boat break RRS 2 while breaking RRS 23.1?
  John,
  
  I don't think it's so much a case of 'overthinking' vs 'misthinking' OP's question.
  
  Ang's question wasn't really so much about whether a breach was an action of fairness to the competition or not.  His question was more investigating the use of the word 'compete' in Rule 2 and throughout the RRS.
  
  If I may share some history to the question - - some time ago, I mused with Ang, whether a boat who had finished was allowed to motor clear of the line - relevant to the word 'compete'.  I mused that the boat was not 'competing' once finished -- - no boat on boat or tactical striving could be done to better their score once they had crossed the line.  People struggled with applying the 'striving' meaning to RRS 42.1, so I dropped it.
  
  At which point, Ang mused a similar question of whether the word 'compete' in rule 2 was similarly applied.  We all agree (I hope) that some actions can affect fairness at any time, off or on the water.  We must also agree that propulsion doesn't help off the water.  So that word 'compete' may be being used interchangeably.  At least this is the interesting issue to me.
  
  
  Benjamin Harding Today 01:31
• Is There a Case in the Future for A Less-Formal Meditation Process
   There already exist ways of addressing rules disputes 'less formally'
  
  RYA Advisory Meeting
  
  https://www.rya.org.uk/racing/rules/rya-rules-disputes-process/
  
  There are problems:
  
  By providing an 'official' venue to rake over incidents but without protest validity or 'official finality', you are actually encouraging a 'no protest' culture, and where the Advisory Meeting 'concludes' that a boat had dead set broken a rule, you then run into possible ill will if the boat doesn't then take a PRP or retire, and possible Rule 2 complaints about knowing that she has broken a rule and not taking a penalty.
  
  I obviously don't like the idea.  In my opinion it is dumbing down the sport, and it erodes the responsibility of competitors to enforce the rules.
  John Allan Yesterday 23:12
• Class breaks in handicap racing
  definitely agree, although ORC seems to have issues with full-keel boats for some reason.
  Niko Kotsatos Yesterday 14:32
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  Same to everyone too, from the Philippines...

  

  John Quirk Yesterday 04:08
• 2 questions on 18.3.
  Are we assuming 15 and 16.1 do not apply?
  Philip Hubbell Tue 19:03

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