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Ben re: "Can someone explain again the reasoning here."
I think the reasoning would go like this....
REASONING- RRS 44.2 has 2 sentences.
- First states how a boat "takes a penalty" (same words as def: finish(a))
- Second states what a boat must do to finish, if that penalty is taken at or near the finish.
- They are separate and the 2nd doesn't affect first at all, but the 1st is a condition/component of the 2nd.
- RRS 44.1 states, "A boat may take a Two-Turns Penalty when she may have broken one or more rules of Part 2"
- No rule needs to be actually broken
- Therefore, the RC need-not "determine" if a rule was actually broken or its exoneration status.
- That said, the observation and record by the RC of a rules breach can help in its "determination" in Application #2 below.
- Def: Finish (a) states, within a however-exclusion, that a boat that takes a 44.2 penalty after crossing the line, has not finished.
- Def: Sail the Course (c) includes "she finishes"
- A boat that has not finished, has not sailed the course.
- Appx A5.1(a) states that when the RC "determines that .. a boat did not sail the course ... it shall score her accordingly without a hearing"
- The only guidance I think we have for "determines" in the rules is RRS 90.3(c) which states that determination should be made based upon the RC's "own observations and records".
So, pulling the trigger on this cascade ...
APPLICATION- The RC observes and records a boat doing one tack and gybe in quick-succession after crossing the finish from the course-side.
- The RC determines from that RC-observation/record that the boat took a 44.2 penalty.
- Based on def:finish, the boat has not finished.
- Based on def: sail the course, the boat has not sailed the course.
- Based upon A5.1, the RC shall score her NSC.
CONCLUSION- Therefore, as long as the RC determines that the spin was a 44.2 penalty, it does not act improperly by scoring NSC; quite the opposite.
- Once the RC determines that a 44.2 penalty was taken, it would be an omission NOT to score NSC due to A5.1's "shall"
Angelo Guarino Today 11:29 - RRS 44.2 has 2 sentences.
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A lot of chat for a rather simple case.
To me... there are 2 halves to OPs question...
1st half - was Red racing? Yes. Her stern was still on the finish line when she broke rule 10.
2nd half - Did Red tack and gybe in accordance with 44.2...namely 'promptly' after the incident? This question is subject to the protest system, just like any other allegation of a breach of a rule not exonerated.
So the RC registers her second crossing i.a.w. Finish (a), and if anyone (RC or another boat) is unhappy about it, they can protest her for not exonerating 'promptly'. Otherwise her 2nd crossing finish stands.
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As for the r23.1 discussion, Racing is a time-block from time-a to time-b. Once you pass time-b it's over. You can't restart. If Red had met the interpretation of Case 127, then she was past time-b. Not racing.
If a boat not racing breaks a rule, then apply RRS 60.5(c)
If a boat has broken a rule when not racing, her penalty shall apply to the race sailed nearest in time to the incident.
What am I missing?Benjamin Harding Fri 09:07 -
Yes you can only postpone before the start. You can do it in the last second.
You start when the flag is removed so, if this had a few seconds delay, the start would be late but there is the posability of postponment.
Just follow the procedure and be practical.Michael Butterfield Thu 15:05 -
But, unless I am misreading the original post, the “restricted finish” in this case is 2/3 of the way up the course and nowhere near the starting area. The only boats playing in that area are the 18s and the H16s would only be there when finishing. So, again, I’ll ask, what issue are we trying to resolve by restricting this finish?Eric Rimkus Tue 14:53
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Agree. As long as it's getting our of RRoS ok.John Allan Tue 03:10