Forum: The Racing Rules of Sailing

Pondering Rule 3 - Are Race Officers and Organizing Authorities Over-Reaching?

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Beau Vrolyk
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As we all know, Rule 3 puts the sole responsibility for participation and continuation of a race in the hands of the participant. There are no Cases referencing Rule 3 that I'm aware of, that might clarify the Rule. Probably because it's so clearly written.

To quote:

"3 DECISION TO RACE
The responsibility for a boat's decision to participate in a race or to continue racing is hers alone."

Yet, in various discussions on-line, there have been suggestions that in some way the Race Officer (RO) or the Organizing Authority (OA) can decide things like: "It's too windy" or "The weather forecast is dangerous" and delay or cancel a race. 

Over the years we have learned that when an OA publishes a Notice of Race (NoR), they are effectively offering up a contract to competitors that they will hold the event under a specific set of rules as describe in the NoR. Competitors often commit significant financial and time resources to holding up their side of the contract with the OA. Indeed, competitors have threatened a lawsuit when OA's have attempted to change the NoR at the last minute. This is primarily because in some races people either build or deeply modify their boat to fit the description of what's legal as stated in the NoR. In the past, in cases I'm personally aware of, the OA has relented under the duress of being sued for violation of the agreement. 

Given the clarity of Rule 3 and the binding nature of the NoR, it seems that the RO may not have the authority to cancel, delay, or modify a race unless that authority is expressly given in the NoR, Class Rules, or the RRS. Yet, we find this happening all the time due to weather conditions, the opinion of the RO on when the competitors will finish, and various other factors that are not listed in the NoR. It would seem that the OA and RO are infringing on Rule 3, as they expressly do not have the authority to make these changes.

Obviously, conformance with local laws would trump the contractual rights of the parties, but that does not seem to be happening when an RO makes a judgement that it's "Too windy to race." 

Thoughts?? 
Created: 26-Jan-19 10:33

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Fiona Collins
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I would suggest that most race officers weigh other factors into their decisions to run racing or not. Including, but not limited to:

• is the committee boat capable of leaving the harbour/motoring to site in headseas/staying on station at anchor to provide fair start & finish lines

• is club/OA equipment safe in the prevailing conditions (needing to recover RIBs provided for rescue cover for competitors in a worsening forecast/shorebreak as tide goes out etc)

• are safety crews and race committees safe in the prevailing/forecast conditions - ROs have considerations for their wellbeing too, particularly if they get involved with helping a competitor in trouble 

• worst case scenario, would running racing poorly  (ie allowing it to continue in inappropriate conditions) then prevail upon other safety services, for example would the RNLI (in the UK) need to be called out if the committee boat foundered?

It would be lovely to say that applying 'common sense' to the wider scenario would be enough when an RO decides to run any given race or not, but the biggest limitation on this is that the sense is rarely 'common'.

We are all entitled to a different opinion, but I would hope that sailing could remain more 'rugby' than 'soccer' on this, and accept that the decision of the official running the event is final, without the agressive backchat....no matter how much we may disagree at the time?
Created: 26-Jan-19 11:09
Jim Champ
Nationality: United Kingdom
All excellent points. 

One might add, too that holding a race in marginal conditions in which a good number of competitors will stay ashore and in which one may anticipate numerous retirements will have a significant effect on the series results. Opinion will vary on whether this favours the competent and well prepared or the foolhardy and lucky.
Created: 26-Jan-19 11:21
Rob Williams
Nationality: United States
RRS 27.3
Before the starting signal, the race committee may for any reason postpone (display flag AP, AP over H, or AP over A, with two sounds) or abandon the race (display flag N, N over H, or N over A, with three sounds).

RRS 32.1
After the starting signal, the race committee may shorten the course or abandon the race:

(a)
because of foul weather,

(b)
because of insufficient wind making it unlikely that any boat will sail the course within the race time limit,

(c)
because a mark is missing or out of position, or

(d)
for any other reason directly affecting the safety or fairness of the competition.

You’ve already mentioned the NOR & SI; however, it’s very clear that the RC has authority before the race starts and after the starts to abandon the race. 

About RRS 3, per Dave Perry:
“There have been attempted lawsuits brought unsuccessfully against race committees by sailors who have had accidents during races in strong winds. Their contentions have been, in part, that the race committee has jeopardized their safety by holding races in severe conditions. The decision to start, postpone or abandon a race is within the jurisdiction of the race committee (see rule 90.1, Race Committee; Sailing Instructions; Scoring). Rule 61.4(b)(1) (Redress Decisions) should not be interpreted to restrict or interfere with its authority and responsibilities in matters of race management. Under rule 3, each boat has the sole responsibility to decide whether or not to race. And if a boat decides not to race, she cannot claim her score was made worse through no fault of her own. (See Appeal 39.) 
Notice that it is the boat’s responsibility to decide. Every sailor on a boat has the responsibility to voice his or her opinion as to whether or not to start or to continue to race. Nothing in this rule protects an owner, skipper or helmsperson from a liability suit by
their crew.”
Created: 26-Jan-19 11:20
Nick Hutton
I came here to say RRS 27.3 and 32.1. No need to say anything else. There is no substance to the original post. 
Created: 26-Jan-19 11:58
Tim Noble
What he said!
Created: 26-Jan-23 16:41
David Henshall
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The events from last summer at a major multi-class event being held in North Wales should stand as a warning to all those who may share sympathies with the original post. In my experience, most ROs have a deep understanding of the local conditions, which when added to their experience, gives them  a far better view of the 'bigger picture' that may be visible to the competitors. A good example of this can be seen at Hayling Island - one of the UK's premier sailing locations. At first sight it may seem sailable, it may even be so BUT once the ebb starts running (maybe the racing has been delayed by a couple of General Recalls or a delay for a course change after a wind shift) what was okay, if maybe a tad exciting, in the space of 20 minutes can become a boat breaking barrier to a safe return to shore. The Hayling ROs all know this and when they say either "go home" or "don't go at all" the competitors are getting the benefit of that accumulated wisdom and local knowledge. The previous post by Fiona Collins has pretty much said it all: The RO has a responsibility to all of the volunteers who might be out there and also towards the external Emergency Services who might, if things go badly wrong (as they did up in North Wales) end up getting involved. We are very lucky in the UK in that we have little in the way of legalistic oversight of watersports, but if we want to keep that freedom, then avoiding the optics of Coastguard helicopters and RNLI boats  pulling people out of the water has to be avoided. Yes, you might get the odd grumble from someone who quite possibly has an inflated opinion of their abilities, but overreach...no, this is not a problem looking for a solution.
Created: 26-Jan-19 11:36
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Beau Vrolyk
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Thanks for some great comments. A quick clarifying set of comments:

First, Rule 3 only applies to "boats" and not Race Committees or anyone else. The RC clearly has the right to make their own determination about the safety of their crew and equipment, and decide to stay ashore if they can't run the race.

It is also the case that all sailing activities within a Country's jurisdiction are subject to the control of that Country's government. 

Rob's comment about Rules 27.3 and 32.1 are on target and I over reached when I said this might conflict with Rule 3. Those rules certainly apply. 

As to sailing venues where there are known risk, similar to David's excellent comment about a tidal race, it would be a simple matter to state this in the race documents. This would alert competitors to both the danger and the reason that the RC might take action. Many NoRs and SIs make statements to the effect that developing weather at sea during the race can be extremely dangerous etc... By making these things explicit, and providing the RC with something to point at, the sailors might better understand what can appear to them to be a rather arbitrary decision.

Created: 26-Jan-19 12:22
Fiona Collins
I don't think any additional wording is needed. As Nick said, "any reason" in 27.3 and 32.1(d) seems to cover it!

Indeed there have been occasions I've waited in a fleet during wonderfully raceable conditions and it would appear the only reason the AP is still up is that 'it's lunchtime' and we're somewhere that it's completely normal that lunch is a 60-120 minute affair with a bottle of wine.

That is still at the ROs discretion. As much as it is each boat's decision to start or continue to race, it is each owner's decision to consider the venue, prevailing wind conditions for the time of year, tides for the dates of the event, and even reputation of the club/nation/RO for having 7am starts, long lunchbreaks, cancelling racing at 2pm when a solid seabreeze is expected at 3.30pm and so on when they respond to the NOR & put their entry in... 

An NOR doesn't need to get any more wordy to cover all these potential scenarios. Have a polite word with the RO after the fact if a race is cancelled, postponed or abandoned & it's still not clear to you what their reasons were?
Created: 26-Jan-19 13:20
Bruno Gutierrez
Je suis de l'avis de David Henshall, car je suis issu de France et l'Etat français a un regard affuté sur l'organisation des manifestations nautiques. Il existe un décret qui fixe les conditions d'organisation et les RRS ne font pas la loi en France à ce sujet. La RRS 3 s'applique mais pour autant elle ne dédouane pas l'autorité organisatrice de ses responsabilités. Ce débat est donc très anglophone car en cas d'accident ou de graves problèmes, en France, l'Autorité organisatrice et le Comité de course sont considérés comme responsables et ont donc des comptes à rendre sur leur décision qui peut être considérée comme une mise en danger d'autrui..
Created: 26-Jan-19 12:25
David Henshall
Reply to: 20300 - Bruno Gutierrez
Je suis de l'avis de David Henshall, car je suis issu de France et l'Etat français a un regard affuté sur l'organisation des manifestations nautiques. Il existe un décret qui fixe les conditions d'organisation et les RRS ne font pas la loi en France ...
Bruno, - merci et tu exposes bien tes propos. De nos jours, pratiquement chaque événement commence par une évaluation des risques (ou il le devrait) et si quelque chose tourne très mal, c’est le point de départ de toute enquête. L’idée qu’un OA/RC puisse se cacher derrière la règle selon laquelle c’est la responsabilité du concurrent de naviguer ou non n’exonère pas le RO de son devoir de diligence envers les participants et les bénévoles de soutien. Je dirais que notre travail, en tant qu’organisateurs, est de garantir que les courses soient « équitables », mais si les conditions atteignent un point où l’équité est discutable à cause des conditions, cela signifie à lui seul que l’événement ne devrait pas être poursuivi.

Bruno, - thank you and you make your points well. These days pretty much every event starts with a risk assessment (or it should) and in the event that something goes badly wrong, this would be the starting point in any investigation. The notion that an OA/RC can hide behind the rule that it is it the competitors responsibility to sail/not sail doesn't absolve the RO from a duty of care towards entrants and support volunteers. I would argue that our job, as ROs, is to ensure that the racing is 'fair' but if conditions reach the point where fairness is questionable because of the conditions, then that alone suggests that the event shouldn't be continued.
Created: 26-Jan-19 14:21
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
 Beau Vrolyk said
As we all know, Rule 3 puts the sole responsibility for participation and continuation of a race in the hands of the participant. There are no Cases referencing Rule 3 that I'm aware of, that might clarify the Rule. Probably because it's so clearly written.

Yes, it's a brief, simple, clear assertion about an extremely contentious and complex area of law.

To quote:

"3 DECISION TO RACE
The responsibility for a boat's decision to participate in a race or to continue racing is hers alone."

Yet, in various discussions on-line, there have been suggestions that in some way the Race Officer (RO) or the Organizing Authority (OA) can decide things like: "It's too windy" or "The weather forecast is dangerous" and delay or cancel a race.

As other posters have said, with appropriate citations of the RRS, the OA, RC, or RO is empowered and authorised to decide that  "It's too windy" or "The weather forecast is dangerous" and postpone or abandon a race.  The RO can do this.

The discussion seems to be moving towards whether the RO should or must do these things, or may be legally liable if he or she does not do these things.

I suggest that the liability of the race officer will be massively affected by the national and domestic legal jurisdiction that applies.

 Over the years we have learned that when an OA publishes a Notice of Race (NoR), they are effectively offering up a contract to competitors that they will hold the event under a specific set of rules as describe in the NoR.

The two leading cases for the contractual proposition are The Satanita 1897 (apologies for he Wiki link:  the actual HL report is not publicly available) and Juno v Endeavour 1995.

Those cases were decided in England and in the USA, respectively over 125, and over 30 years ago. Since those times there have been extensive statutory changes to the laws of contract and tort in those jurisdictions.  While the principle that entry to a sailing race forms some  sort of contract or enforceable agreement, probably still stands, it may well be that all sorts of obligations and entitlements in the rules are severable and do not form an enforceable part of that contract.

 Competitors often commit significant financial and time resources to holding up their side of the contract with the OA. Indeed, competitors have threatened a lawsuit when OA's have attempted to change the NoR at the last minute. This is primarily because in some races people either build or deeply modify their boat to fit the description of what's legal as stated in the NoR. In the past, in cases I'm personally aware of, the OA has relented under the duress of being sued for violation of the agreement. 

Yes, and possibly because the OA agrees that such changes are unfair and not made in adequate time, in breach of  RRS 89.2(b).

This is quite a different issue to the postponement or abandonment of a race.

Given the clarity of Rule 3 and the binding nature of the NoR, it seems that the RO may not have the authority to cancel, delay, or modify a race unless that authority is expressly given in the NoR, Class Rules, or the RRS.

See above:  that authority is expressly given by RRS 27.3 and 32.1.

Yet, we find this happening all the time due to weather conditions, the opinion of the RO on when the competitors will finish, and various other factors that are not listed in the NoR. It would seem that the OA and RO are infringing on Rule 3, as they expressly do not have the authority to make these changes.

They do have that authority and RRS 3 certainly does not say otherwise.

Obviously, conformance with local laws would trump the contractual rights of the parties, but that does not seem to be happening when an RO makes a judgement that it's "Too windy to race." 
Created: 26-Jan-19 12:59
Robin Meads
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It is the sailor's decision whether or not to race, but it is the OA (usually via the RO) to decide whether the race takes place. These are 2 different concepts. The OA has an over-riding responsibility for the safety of the event & there have been legal cases, Lyme Bay canoeing for example, with criminal prosecutions for negligence. In English law the weather is "an Act of God" which is why entry fees are not usually refunded if racing is cancelled due to weather unless the NOR (as a contract) states otherwise. In assessing negligence in a court action, event organisers would be required to show risk assessments, which some (most?) Harbour Masters also require to see. I agree that the original question does not raise an issue that needs to be actioned. 
Created: 26-Jan-19 13:02
Jim Champ
Nationality: United Kingdom
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I think Robin is absolutely smack on the mark. RRS3 says absolutely nothing about the RCs responsibilities, whether to run a race, abandon it or anything else.
 
RRS3 only comes into play if a race is scheduled or actually in progress.

Beau, to my mind what's caused the confusion is that you said "participation and continuation of a race " but RRS3 says "participation and continuation in a race ". The continuation OF a race is an RC responsibility, but further continuation IN a race is an individual boat's responsibility.
Created: 26-Jan-19 17:49
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Michael Butterfield
When training to bea race officer i was told to run races not survival courses (as, ws does at its events). 

In the uk rule 3 may not assist the ro when there are minors under 18, who do not have the capacity to make the sail decision. 
Created: 26-Jan-19 14:10
Michael Moradzadeh
Well, I wanted to pile on here, but it's already been pretty well stated. The RO has the final obligation to decide whether to start and continue a race. They are not obligated to start one if it's not reasonably safe, fair, etc. In my view, they SHOULD not start a race if danger looms. It gets dicey, I think, if the race would be unsafe for only one or two out of dozens....  Then what?
Created: 26-Jan-19 15:08
Al Sargent
Nationality: United States
Dinghy sailor perspective: in some locations, eg US east coast in the summer, lightning storms can form quickly. Lightning on the water can be fatal. 

Race committees can tell if inbound storms having lightning, using radios and Internet devices. These devices are not legal to be carried on boats many dinghy classes, including Optis and Lasers. Furthermore, one can’t operate these devices when racing a dinghy. 

So, the race committee should be allowed to order boats back to shore, because they have potentially life saving information that competitors don’t.

We could stick with with a strict interpretation of Rule 3, and leave competitors with the sole responsibility, but it won’t help our participation levels if people are getting killed or seriously injured in our sport.
Created: 26-Jan-19 16:35
Philip Hubbell
Careful:
"they expressly do not have the authority to make these changes"
is not the same as 
"they do not expressly have the authority to make these changes."
Created: 26-Jan-19 18:25
Rene Nusse
Nationality: Australia
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I would have thought that the authorities have the final say on whether a race is taking place, and the participants have the final say on whether to participate. Is it more complex than this?
Created: 26-Jan-19 22:58
Nick Hutton
Reply to: 20325 - Rene Nusse
It is not! Well said. 
Created: 26-Jan-19 23:02
Graham Smith
Reply to: 20325 - Rene Nusse
Reply to Rene:  Absolutely, and the legal side to that is, in virtually every NoR I have seen, all competitors are agreeing to abide by the current RRS, including RRS3. RRS27.3 and RRS32.1.  Simple, done and dusted.
Created: 26-Jan-19 23:17
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Benjamin Harding
Nationality: Hong Kong
I'm surprised that the phrase 'Duty of Care' has only been raised once in this thread so far (and then only in a translation of a post).

Organiser's Duty of Care vs Participants' Voluntary Assumption of Rsk (or similar) is a well documented area of law in most jurisdictions.

Rule 3 handles the participant's side 

The Duty of Care of the organisers does not need handling in RRS because it is a basic legal obligation of pretty much everyone. All that's needed are the rules to allow the organisers to exercise their duty of care. (Discussed already.) 


Created: 26-Jan-20 00:01
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
Reply to: 20332 - Benjamin Harding
Organiser's Duty of Care vs Participants' Voluntary Assumption of Rsk (or similar) is a well documented area of law in most jurisdictions. Rule 3 handles the participant's side  The Duty of Care of the organisers does not need handling in RRS becau...
While it is true that there is an enormous volume of case law about duty of care, this by no means makes it cut and dried.

The phrase 'duty of care ' is used very frequently.  It actually has no useful meaning unless it is accompanied by a legally precise statement of 
  • Who owes the duty of care
  • Who the duty to care is owed to, and 
  • exactly what the duty is.

Its pretty clear that an organising authority, a race committee and a race officer will owe a duty of care to competitors, but exactly what that duty is, and whether liability for neglect of that duty can or is waived may be far from clear.

That said, I suggest that no amount of fancy dancing around RRS 3, or lawyer smart words in NOR/SI will protect OA/RC/RO if they do not competently and conscientiously do a risk assessment and implement necessary controls.
Created: 26-Jan-23 21:30
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John Quirk
Nationality: New Zealand
How I see it.....

Rule 3 is really an ‘evergreen’ provision – Captain always remains in charge of and responsible for their own vessel etc (and to attempt to shield themselves and their representatives from any ‘come-back’ if you will, the OA will also typically seek from the participants a form of acceptance of risk and liability waiver – to the extent that the given laws of the land permits and allows; this simply stated in their document issuances and/or requires an individually executed ‘wet signature’ instrument). 

The OA issues specific advertisements, NOR & SI documents and with reference to World Sailing (and thus their array of published documents - including the functions of the RO and PC) and required entrance fees etc. Thus, an [offer and acceptance] basis between the OA and the participants.

However, the other parties to a given race or series of races (OA and RC/RO) all have implicit functions, obligations and responsibilities as well. 

Of interest perhaps on this aligned subject, was the 1998 Sydney Hobart Race and the subsequent death inquests, NSW coronial inquest and investigations (CYCA) and those reports and their findings (this could of course differ somewhat from one jurisdiction to another).

As such, the RO is empowered to alter or adjust or cancel races or otherwise functions, but must do so within the parameters of the various published documents in play, acting professionally and prudently and with a ‘duty of care’.

Created: 26-Jan-20 01:00
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John Quirk
Nationality: New Zealand
Reply to: 20335 - John Quirk
Finally, 'duty of care' is a well established and understood facet of English law, traceable back to the 15th century, and now emboided in the laws of many countries and jurisdictions (European and otherwise) - even under Sharia Law - eg UAE, whereby: 'duty of care refers to the legal obligation imposed on individuals to act in a manner that avoids foreseeable harm to others' (it is much the same in Bahrain and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, where I have sailed also).

Created: 26-Jan-20 04:00
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
Reply to: 20335 - John Quirk
Finally, 'duty of care' is a well established and understood facet of English law, traceable back to the 15th century, and now emboided in the laws of many countries and jurisdictions (European and otherwise) - even under Sharia Law - eg UAE, whereby...
While i must bow to John Quirk's knowledge of Sharia law, historically there have been jurisdictions where liability for negligence is considerably less than under British or US common law.

the legal obligation imposed on individuals to act in a manner that avoids foreseeable harm to others

This is a far too sweeping statement of the duty of care.

As Cardozo j said, liability in negligence cannot be imposed  "in an indeterminate amount for an indeterminate time to an indeterminate class".
Created: 26-Jan-23 21:52
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Michael Butterfield
Looking at the rya problem event, they seem to be saying the responsability should be with the event director.
I look to him for food and parking 
Who is he in the event management structure?
Presumably a oa muscelling in on the rc they have appointed.
The ro is responsible for safety and racing 
Do you know what an event director is? The rule book is silent.
Created: 26-Jan-20 13:42
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
Mike, what 'RYA problem event' are you referring to?

The Organising Authority isn't 'muscling in'

RRS 90.1 expressly gives the OA the power to direct the race committee.
Created: 26-Jan-20 14:10
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Michael Butterfield
Rya youth championships 2025 6 boats fould later in the day one days after. 
No reall casualties, expected large wind came and they were not off the water as the risk assessment said, as one race late because of recalls, and i assume they just wanted to finish the race. 
10 had finished before the wind struck. 
Created: 26-Jan-20 14:31
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John Quirk
Nationality: New Zealand
Would be nice to see a simple organization / responsibilities chart for this Report ('RYA Summary and Response to the serious incident at the Youth National Championships 2025') , as it introduces various positions & roles: Director of Racing, Event Director, Safety Management Group amd Race officials and safety teams, and how they interact with the OA and RC / RO. For example, where I am here, the Event Director does the Clubhouse functions & activites - organizing awards nights, catering and enterainment etc, and has very limited involcment with the RC/RO functions &  activites.

Created: 26-Jan-21 00:59
Gordon Davies
Nationality: Ireland
Event Director is not in RRS - Organising Authority is. Under RRS 90.1 the OA directs the RC. The line of command is clear.

When racing is to be abandoned because of foul weather should always be discussed in a management meeting before the event starts, ensuring that OA, RC, Safety Team, Class Reps etc agree. The Safety Plan should give guidance on this question - taking account of any class guidelines if they exist. WS Race Management Policy also gives guidance and may be adapted for the circumstance.
Competitors need to know the conditions in which they may be called upon to race. Which is why so many class championship regulations set out maximum wind speeds.

A final point: sending a fleet out in conditions that are known to be marginal leading to a dangerous situation with damage, injury or worse, requiring external assistance for lifeboat etc, can hardly be considered as enhance the reputation of sailing as safe family friendly outdoor activity!
Created: 26-Jan-21 10:46
Rob Williams
Nationality: United States
I’m looking for a simple Incident Response Guidelines for local sailing association. US Sailing has an example posted but would love to see others if anyone has they have to share. As the OA for over 30 races each season, this reminds me of the need to plan and train for these situations. We can’t prevent the unknown but we can prepare better. Anyone willing to share what you have?  If this needs to go on a new post vice this RRS 3 post just let me know. Thanks
Created: 26-Jan-21 13:25
David Henshall
Rob Williams - some years back I prepared an 'Incident Contingency Plan' but this  is very location specific. Personally, I'd be happier if this was part of a different thread to this current one.
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Created: 26-Jan-21 13:30
Gordon Davies
Nationality: Ireland
From the Irish Sailing website:
https://www.sailing.ie/Library/Racing#risk-assessment-forms

This includes a detailed safety plan template, an incident report form, a risk assessment form and guidance to race officials.
I hope that this may be of interest.

Irish Sailing now recognises qualified Safety Leaders as race officials. There is a curriculum for training and candidates may qualify at Local , Regional or National Level
Created: 26-Jan-21 13:37
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Benjamin Harding
Nationality: Hong Kong
Irish Sailing now recognises qualified Safety Leaders as race officials.

It sounds good, but what does this mean Gordon? 
Created: 26-Jan-21 15:30
John Fothergill
I found this to be an interesting discussion that offered many helpful comments and suggestions. 

As a matter of good practice, I have found it valuable to meet with the class captain(s) to discuss any decision not to race. Doing so also supports the subsequent announcement to competitors, as it allows me to present not only the reasons for cancelling racing but also to state that the class captain(s) concur with the decision.

On one occasion when I was serving as PRO, the wind conditions were very strong. Although the fleet was generally composed of experienced sailors, there were a few less‑skilled competitors, but I nevertheless felt that racing could proceed. During the briefing, I made it clear that any sailor who felt unable to manage the wind strength should not launch. I emphasised that if all rescue boats became occupied assisting those who could not cope with the conditions, I would have no choice but to abandon racing for the entire fleet. Therefore, sailors who went afloat despite being unsure of their ability to handle the wind risked jeopardising the racing for everyone else. This message appeared to have the desired effect.
Created: 26-Jan-21 14:09
Gordon Davies
Nationality: Ireland
Benjamin,
Safety Leaders are qualified race officials, as are Judges, Umpires, Race officers, Results Managers and Mark Layers

Qualification is based on attending a course, passing a test, experience at events and on the water assessment.

 An Irish Sailing National Safety Leader has the aptitude to lead the event safety team at a principal event. 
 An Irish Sailing Regional Safety Leader has the aptitude to lead the event safety team at regional events and assist National Safety Leaders. 
 An Irish Sailing Local Safety Leader has the aptitude to lead the event safety team at local events for local/club racing and to assist Regional and National Safety Leaders. 

Safety Leaders have to have appropriate Powerboat, VHF and First Aid Certs.

They work with OA and RC to coordinate safety procedures and manage the safety team. Many of the safety leaders also serve as volunteer life-boat crew (our lifeboat service is a vlountary organisation)
Created: 26-Jan-21 18:41
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Benjamin Harding
Nationality: Hong Kong
Thanks Gordon,

I totally think it is a good initiative by Irish Sailing to recognise the importance of proper training in safety management. 

I guess I'm still trying to place 'Safety Leader' in the organisational framework. 

This whole thread is about establishing boundaries and recognising overlaps between the RRS and the organiser in terms of safety management. 

The words Race Official springs RRS 89 to mind and describing a Safety Leader as a 'Race Official' implies to me empowerment under the RRS. Yet, there is no role of Safety Leader in RRS. 

Your last paragraph above partly answers my questions. The Safety leader is not part of the RC. That would have fit my conclusion that the Safety Leader was part of the OA. 

But this is not implied by your last paragraph. So where do they fall?

Has Irish Sailing added, by means of prescriptuon, a new 'race official' role under RRS? 

Or can we say this role is in fact part of the OA, in terms of the RRS?

In which case would we call them Event Officials or Organising Officials, reserving the term 'Race' official for those roles mentioned in RRS 89 which have obligations under RRS. 


Created: 26-Jan-21 22:50
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Michael Butterfield
I see a safety official as part of the rc as safety is a race committee function.
Created: 26-Jan-21 22:55
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Benjamin Harding
Nationality: Hong Kong
If I search for 'safety' in RRS it comes up very few times and it's never mentioned as a role/function description. 

It wouldn't be hard to incorporate 'Safety Leader' into the RRS

Empowerment and job description in Part 7 via Prescriptions, or as rules in NOR/SI. Then a few modifications in other rules, say 27.1, 32 and perhaps 1.1.

But I don't see any 'safety role' in RRS otherwise. 


Created: 26-Jan-21 23:25
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
Reply to: 20369 - Benjamin Harding
It wouldn't be hard to incorporate 'Safety Leader' into the RRS
Why we you want to do that? 

The RRS don't include race officer.
Created: 26-Jan-24 22:50
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Benjamin Harding
Nationality: Hong Kong
The RRS don't include race officer.

Huh?

Ah... OK. I see what you are getting at. You are saying RRS does mot mention individual specific roles like Race Officer or Jury scribe. So why mention Safety Leader?

You're right.

Let me clarify my point.

I don't think Safety is a role of the RC. The RRS does not require any action regarding safety from the RC.

When I said incorporate 'Safety Leader', I should have simply said 'incorporate Safety' and left it at that. 

Incorporating Safety as a rule would mean requiring someone to take ownership of go/no-go decisions.  It could be a new committee or added on to the RC. Currently I think it is OA, but that has limited jurisdiction under the current rules. 

The Safety Committee (SC) shall make a call to abandon a race for safety reasons. Rule 32 is changed that the RC shall abandon the race if instructed by the SC. Blah blah blah. 

That kind of thing. 

Thanks. 


Created: 26-Jan-25 00:23
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
Reply to: 20369 - Benjamin Harding
I don't think Safety is a role of the RC.
See WS Race Management Manual V5.2

... whilst there may be an extensive team involvedin 'safety' at an event, the responsibility for this is ultimately that of the race officer

Every single session of RO training I've ever attended or presented has said flatly

The Race Officer is responsible for safety.
Created: 26-Jan-25 00:50
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Benjamin Harding
Nationality: Hong Kong
Reply to: 20369 - Benjamin Harding
whilst there may be an extensive team involvedi
John,

I'm really not disputing that the RO is ultimately responsible... just like the captain of a flight has final say on everything.

What I said was that in no part of the RRS is there any explicit requirement to act on Safety as far as I can see.

Hence, we have this thread asking whether ROs are 'overreaching' because the boundaries and overlaps of responsibility are grey.

Interestingly from the same paragraph as you quoted.. " There is therefore an implied duty of care in race management. In addition, the World Sailing Code of Behavior requires all race management personnel to be responsible for their actions concerning the safety and welfare of race participants."

As I started out in this thread, the duty of care is really the only requirement to act on safety.
Created: 26-Jan-25 03:30
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
Ben What I said was that in no part of the RRS is there any explicit requirement to act on Safety as far as I can see.

I think that may be because the WS drafters of the RRS, relying on RRS 3, want to avoid creating any contractual obligation for safety on the part of OA or Race Officials.

Interestingly from the same paragraph as you quoted.. " There is therefore an implied duty of care in race management. In addition, the World Sailing Code of Behavior requires all race management personnel to be responsible for their actions concerning the safety and welfare of race participants."

As I started out in this thread, the duty of care is really the only requirement to act on safety.

Yes, the OA's and Race Officials obligations about safety arise from their duty of care in tort law.
Created: 26-Jan-25 12:03
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
Reply to: 20369 - Benjamin Harding
Hence, we have this thread asking whether ROs are 'overreaching' because the boundaries and overlaps of responsibility are grey.
Just to reprise:

  • This thread started with Beau, having overlooked a couple of rules, suggesting that a RO had no authority to 'cancel, delay, or modify a race unless that authority is expressly given in the NoR'
  • Several posters reminded us of RRS 27.3 and 32.1.
  • We have then been discussing what the 'responsibilities' of an RO, an OA and various other people might be, and relationships between those responsibilities.
Created: 26-Jan-25 12:14
Michael Moradzadeh
I know of an effort at the "Ministry of Sailing" in Newport to create just such a role, with a significant degree of training, etc.  Not sure how I feel about that.
Created: 26-Jan-21 23:33
Gordon Davies
Nationality: Ireland
50
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The Safety Leader is carrying out a race committee function. So they are part of the RC. However, at a big event the Safety Leader will be managing a large team. The RO delegates managing the safety function to the Safety Manager. The call to postpone or abandon  racing rests with the RO, However, if the Safety Leader recommends an end to racing it would be a 'courageous' decision for the RO to overide this advice.
Created: 26-Jan-21 23:48
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Benjamin Harding
Nationality: Hong Kong
Thanks. 
Created: 26-Jan-22 00:04
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John Quirk
Nationality: New Zealand
As Ben alluded to, not a lot of 'search strikes' on 'safety' and those contents not really about this [morphed] topic - especially, given the prominance of 'EHS' in most jurisdictions and those potential liabilities etc nowadays (I can tell you from my experiences in the major construction industry that a Coroner’s Court is not a pleasant place to be - in a scalpel like manner). A matter that is surely front and center with OAs, skippers and boat owners alike. Irish model look quite appropriate considering.
Keyword Search Safety:
RRS – 5
Case Book - 16
Judges Manual – 18
WS Code of Conduct – 0
WS WORLD SAILING REGULATIONS – 4
Offshore Special Regulations – 65
CONVENTION ON THE INTERNATIONAL REGULATIONS FOR PREVENTING COLLISIONS AT SEA – 3 (‘safe’ – 12)
Created: 26-Jan-22 02:52
Gordon Davies
Nationality: Ireland
Reply to: 20374 - John Quirk
Surely there should be a reference to the Race Management Manual?
Created: 26-Jan-22 10:36
Philip Hubbell
Oh, hooray! "Certified safety boat operators." Yet another opportunity for USSailing to bar highly experienced yachtsmen from serving in vital roles in sailing, together with education and race management, solely because they are too focused on careers and adult life to attend redundant, fee-based certification regimens.
Created: 26-Jan-22 06:16
Gordon Davies
Nationality: Ireland
50
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Philip,
While sailing and racing sail boats is useful experience there are specific skills to handling a small powerboat in poor conditions in close proximity to boats and sailors that need to be acquired in order to intervene effectively and safely as a member of a safety team.

In fact, most of our safety and mark-laying volunteers are not, or are no longer, active racing sailors

Our National Power boat Training Scheme:

The scheme covers inboard, outboard, diesel, jet and everything in-between!

  •  Introduction to Powerboating
  •  National Powerboat Certificate
  •  Safety Boat Certificate - 3 modules
  •  Intermediate Powerboat Certificate
  •  Advanced Powerboat Certificate
  •  Coastal Navigation for Small Boats

One advantage of certifying safety crew is that they all operate using the same procedures and protocols. This avoids confusion in stressful conditions.
Created: 26-Jan-22 10:49
Philip Hubbell
You validate my point.
Created: 26-Jan-22 16:53
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John Quirk
Nationality: New Zealand
Gordon, that is terrific, and could I ask you for an email contact for the person actively involved in that program?. I ask this, as here in the Philippines (working with (PSA, PGYC and PCG), I sponsor an aligned but modest grass roots program - 'Boat Handling & Piloting', taking racing sailors and uniformly teaching them advanced skills (modular courses), leading to national qualifications ('MARINA' - Captain 1&2 certifcations) and also woring with the Philippines Coast Guard (PCG / PCGA) as volunteers for search & rescue etc activities, as well as operating committee boats etc for both dinghy & 'big boat' regattas. We have several such certifed young sailors in our kell-boat youth racing team (current national champions) and are better more competent racing sailors for it.
Created: 26-Jan-23 00:55
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John Quirk
Nationality: New Zealand
I have spent my whole professional career paying highly expensive annual and project-specific  'professional Indemnity insurance' ('PI') - even that has limits....hopefully, the sailing sector doesn't get to that but who knows.... :)
Created: 26-Jan-24 01:45
Gordon Davies
Nationality: Ireland
Reply to: 20390 - John Quirk
One issue we have in Ireland is public liability insurance for race officials. Normally they are covered by the organising authority's policy, but there is no back-up cover if the OA fails to cover ROs. it has been surprisingly difficult to organise cover.

Created: 26-Jan-25 12:33
Gordon Davies
Nationality: Ireland
Philip wrote:
 You validate my point. 

Philip,

When I have the unfortunate necessity to be rescue by the lifeboat, or by air-sea rescue helicopter, I infinitely prefer the people coming to save me to be highly trained and experienced, operating to known, tried and tested procedures. This is not a job for amateurs, however gifted.

In the same way, I feel more comfortable knowing that the person at the wheel of a powerful motor boat heading in my direction has had to demonstrate at least minimal knowledge of the rules of the road and the conventions of behaviour on the water.

The sailing community here in Ireland has decided, for many reasons, that sailors who volunteer to provide safety cover at our events, in particular youth events, are trained, experienced and operating to known, tried and tested procedures.
We are also integrating safety procedures in all other race official training.

In Ireland we sail in tough conditions, in the open sea, on the track of depressions coming in from the Atlantic. At the end of the summer my local waters may reach 15°C, maybe 16, in the winter the water may descend to 5°C. Our inland lakes are event colder in the winter.

Following several incidents that were extensively reported in the press, clubs now take safety very seriously. Anyone in charge of a motor vessel at an event must have a powerboat cert (and VHF licence). On each designated safety vessel there should be at least on person with either a safety vessel cert or safety leader cert. Preferably one of the crew will be wearing a wet or dry suit. 
This means that the club, other race officials, competitors, coaches and support persons know that the safety function is being carried out by people who have demonstrated at least minimal competence, know the standard procedures that we have adopted here in Ireland.

I would add that there is a high degree of osmosis (in both directions) between our club safety personnel and the crew of the RNLI (the national lifeboat service).
Created: 26-Jan-24 11:38
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John Quirk
Nationality: New Zealand
Pretty much the same format here with us in the Philippines Gordon, and I would also add that a lot of the skills & techniques for such work are not something your average experienced sailor has, and those have to be specially taught (eg safely operating in extreme conditions, MoB recoveries, capsizes, gird searches and towing etc etc). Here, as well as the national racing circuit with our racing yacht ALLUSIVE, with our charter yacht COLUMBUS - and also being a registered all-weather search & rescue vessel for the region with the Philippines Coast Guard (several of our youing racing sailors are also with the PCGA), we teach and ceritfy those specific skills to sailors and PCG / PCGA personnel (we also use ALLUSIVE for such training as well, and with an unsinkable aluminium dinghy we have also).
Created: 26-Jan-24 13:13
Gordon Davies
Nationality: Ireland
50
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John wrote:
 Yes, the OA's and Race Officials obligations about safety arise from their duty of care in tort law. 

This explains in part why RRS does not specify a duty of care. Laws governing the nature and degree of responsibility of a person or organisiation that may have caused damage, loss or harm to another vary greatly from one jurisdiction to another. The ex British Empire uses common law, while much of Europe is subject to various versions of Roman Law.

In our Race Official Regulations we are including the following:

The safety of all participants (competitors, support persons, race officials, volunteers, spectators and other stakeholders) shall be a priority for all IS-ROs. IS-ROs shall read all safety policies and procedures applying at an event and implement them to the best of their ability.


Created: 26-Jan-25 12:57
David Henshall
I think this whole issue around the RO's 'Duty of Care' and the question as to any prescriptions in law  is all just word salad. We ALL have to exercise a duty of care, individually and collectively, but as the RO, in most events ( those without additional levels of higher authority) you could well expect the buck to stop with you. There's a simple answer: Say what you do, do what you say and document it. Yes, this might sound a lot like backside covering but if the brown stuff were to hit the fan, I want to know that I won't get hung out in the breeze - something I have seen happen before.

Created: 26-Jan-25 13:39
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John Quirk
Nationality: New Zealand
Gordon Davies Created: Yesterday 12:33 ID: 20400: yes, insurance market getting difficult - just lats week tried get perosnal injury-medical insurance for my youth racing team here (national series starts here this week) and could not secure anything from a range of insurance companies.
Created: 26-Jan-26 00:48
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John Quirk
Nationality: New Zealand
 Gordon Davies Created: Yesterday 13:39 ID: 20402: in my industry sector, in contracts drafting etc, tendency nowadays is to drop the usage of the word 'best' (more use: appropriate or diligently or such like)...such is the legal world today :)
Created: 26-Jan-26 00:53
Justin Scott
There is a clear division of responsibilities.

The decision to host or run a race belongs to the OA. The decision to participate in a race belongs to the boat.

Rule 3 exists because conditions which are marginal for one competitor may be the conditions that another competitor lives for.

At a major championship, for example world, regional or national championship, there is often a very wide range of skill sets participating. Some boats are there to win or place in the top quartile. They have spent many days training in high winds and waves. Some boats are there for the "bucket list" experience. We embrace and welcome both.  It is not the responsibility of the OA or the PRO to assess the skill set of each boat. That responsibility lies squarely with each boat.

Rule 3 makes it clear that each boat should assess their own ability. At our club when we host a major regatta, we offer a timely and friendly reminder during the skippers briefing. There is honor and kudos to the skipper who makes the call to sit one out. We have a beautiful clubhouse, with a great upstairs bar that overlooks the race course. DNC in high wind conditions, is the mark of a responsible skipper who properly assessed his team and boat and put the joy of sailing first. We should congratulate them, and including them in the shortlist for the sportsmanship regatta trophy is not unwarranted.

Rule 3 protects competitors but it also protects the race volunteers. We reinforce that with legal waivers signed by every competitor.

OAs and PROs cannot and should not run racing for major regattas based on the lowest common denominator. We need Rule 3.

At the same time, competitors need to understand, that the OA and PRO can cancel or abandon racing for a whole host of reasons.  Sometimes, this may include conditions that a competitor would relish. Most participants understand this, and appreciate the host of volunteers that makes our sport possible. 





 
Created: 26-Feb-02 14:00
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