Forum: The Racing Rules of Sailing

Why is the "red flag" needed?

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Angelo Guarino
Forum Moderator
Nationality: United States
Here is a philosophical question.  Here is the rule: 

60.2 Intention to Protest
  1. If a protest concerns an incident observed by the protestor in the racing area:
    1. If the protestor is a boat, she shall hail ‘Protest’ and, if her hull length is longer than 6 metres, conspicuously display a red flag, at the first reasonable opportunity for each. She shall display the flag until she is no longer racing.

If it makes sense that a simple hail of "protest" is sufficient notice of intention to protest in a 5.5 meter boat, what is the rationale for why it insufficient in a boat 6 meters and greater?
Created: Yesterday 21:38

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Michael Butterfield
In team racing we have the redflag, in match racing the y.
A redflag generally means a protest, if seen as it should be you can take a penalty.
I like the flag, as a protest committeeit is easyif you gave flown it. 
To me optimists and other small singlehanded boats had developed simple ways of displaying flags.
I agree the size distinction is not justifiable.
All boats should display flags if it was my call.
Created: Yesterday 22:23
Didier Greze
Nationality: France
Just a question on boats like Optimist or ILCA where do you display a red flag all the race long until you finish? 
Secund thing, imagine a TP52 race with a lot of noise onboard due to the fact of carbone structure, do you really think you could hear «  protest » ! 
Created: Yesterday 23:28
Al Sargent
Nationality: United States
Back in the day, on Lasers we used to have a red protest flag attached to the boom, with a tab that you could pull to unfurl. But thankfully, Lasers are less than 6 meters long so no flag needed.
Created: Yesterday 23:41
Warren Nethercote
The answer is definitive if you are a keeper of records. The flag used to be required by all boats until 3 or 4 or 5 ... rule books ago, when the Racing Rules Committee made the change. Their reasoning should be in their minutes, or the memories of the older IJs.

As to Didier's question: kodak film cannisters, under the boom. But we don't use film anymore ...
Created: Yesterday 23:36
James Malm
  Using a red flag remains important in youth sailing. It helps reduce unnecessary back-and-forth on the water and clarifies when a competitor is actually making a protest. Out on the course we often hear things like “circles” or “do your doughnuts,” while the word “protest” is rarely used. Hoisting a red flag and stating “protest” serves two key purposes:

  1. It confirms that the communication was deliberate and supported by the required visual signal.

  2. It gives the protested boat a clear opportunity to reconsider the incident and self-police, as the rules are designed to encourage.

Verbal exchanges can easily be missed in the heat of competition or amid the noise and conditions of an incident—especially when contact occurs, such as masts touching or boats colliding. The red flag reduces ambiguity and ensures the process is understood by everyone involved.

Created: Today 00:12
Doc Sullivan
Nationality: United States
Reply to: 19697 - James Malm
At college nationals this year we were asked to protest a boat for a part 2 infraction if the boat had not been protested. When we tried this on the water it did not work as the protested boat would say they were already protested (hail and a raised hand is required). In team racing the process is the same. Competitors especially in the women’s events complained that they were not getting a call. I suggested ( and other Judge/umpires) agreed that a red flag would make it much easier to know when you are called in
Created: Today 01:14
Jim Champ
Nationality: United Kingdom
Well, I'll play devils advocate.

1. A boat should know if she has broken a rule.
2. A boat that has broken a rule is required to take a penalty even if there is no hail or flag.
3. It therefore follows that to only take a penalty if and after the protest notification requirements have been met is at the least verging on unsportsmanlike conduct.
4. Given a really strict and literal interpretation of 44.2 it could be held that the time interval for hearing a hail and seeing a flag exceeds the delay permissable for starting to get clear of other boats, and therefore makes the alternate penalty invalid.

My own view is less extreme. I find it unacceptable that a failure to follow procedure precisely on the part of the injured party should constitute a get-out-of-gaol-free for the guilty, but it could justify a PC imposing a lesser penalty than disqualification.
Created: Today 01:15
James Malm
Reply to: 19699 - Jim Champ
The educational process takes time. If we don't teach and we toss a protest for validity, as no hail was noted...then what are we teaching. Kids stretch the rules, and visual aids are key for learning. As an adult I would agree that we should have the emotional skills to handle the event. Kids --- well if you have them you know!
Created: Today 01:24
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