• When is an entry an entry?
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  Paul Kimmens Mon 14:17
• Fix for RRS 60.4(a)(2) – Validity
  15 Comments
  Paul Zupan Sun 20:12
• Measurement Basis of Hull Length or Hull Lengths and Associated Rules
  5 Comments
  John Quirk Sat 17:23
• 1.1 Helping Those in Danger and Redress Race Time Adjustment
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  John Quirk Fri 18:28
• Appointment of an Investigator
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  John Quirk 26-Jan-04 17:44

• Mark-Room and Room to Pass an Obstruction who wins.
  David re: "If we were to add another boat or two on each side then we would be considering the ridiculous."
  
  It's not ridiculous if we interpret and apply the rules as I suggested earlier by interpreting the "unless-clause" as I suggested, and recursing the rule-applications to conclude that:
  
  

  A boat entitled to MR is unable to provide obstruction-room to a 2nd boat if; 
  1) they both arrive at an obstruction overlapped,
  2)  the 2nd boat simultaneously owes the 1st boat MR and 
  3) there is space for only 1 boat between the obstruction and the mark.    

  
  In that case, the MR-entitled boat doesn't have to give obstruction-room under 19.2(b). 

  
  From the POV of the MR-obligated boat, they must realize that there will come a point when they can no longer comply with their obligation to provide mark-room to the 1st boat if they "go in there" (just like a barging-situation realization), therefore they either need to slow, take a stern and follow through ... or luff around the top or call for room to tack to the other boats.
  
  This interpretation and application does provide an orderly method for boats to deal with this.  Stacked-up boats do this all the time at the RC at the start .. slow ... take a stern .. or bail-out. 
  
  However, that said, I 100% think we need a Case to establish this definitively ... because it is not clear at all. 
  Angelo Guarino Today 13:20
• Fix for RRS 60.4(a)(2) – Validity
  Sound Plain English and drafting there Gordon. Good and appropriate strategy for RRS.org to do submissions into the WS 'Proposal Portal', me thinks too.
  John Quirk Today 11:52
• When is an entry an entry?
  A boat that has not complied with all the requirements of the organising authority is not entered.
  
  It might be useful to have a list of boats who have met some to the requirements but not all (with the list of requirements that have not been met. However, I would argue that this is an 'Incomplete Entry' or 'Not Yet Entered. However, by demonstrating that they intend to participate in the event, under RRS 4(a) they have agreed to accept the rules. This may be of importance if the boat goes racing without completing the entry requirements.
  
  A  boat does not have to enter the event to be subject to the rules. RRS4 (a) specifically states 'By participating or intending to participate in an events', not 'entered'
  We have had incidents here in which boats entered for the club racing series do not enter the club regatta, but come to the starting area, start, sail the course and finish. In other words, they are participating in the event. Therefore, the rules of Part 2 apply between this non-entered boat and other boats participating in the event.
  Gordon Davies Yesterday 15:43
• Measurement Basis of Hull Length or Hull Lengths and Associated Rules
  I'm not sure that the recent revisions involving hull have been an improvement. We have the situation where bowsprit doesn't count for over the line or hull length, but does count for overlap. And ERS isn't that helpful when it comes to hull length. If you take a modern 18 or other similar craft there's a nominally vertical stem, but a tube projecting from that, with bracing structure both beneath and to each side. Throroughly part of the hull. OK, count it as bow sprit. Maybe. But in other classes you have exactly the same, but a solid construction. Look at these two. Where, in ERS terms is the bow on each, and how on earth do you tell who is over if you are sighting a busy startline? 

  

  Jim Champ Sun 13:25
• 1.1 Helping Those in Danger and Redress Race Time Adjustment
  Very practical method Alan - and 'refreshing' (for the routine ones I have PC experience in, we just did the corection calcs within ourselves - this case a major one) - for ourselves, easy enough to submit to the PC, when national level racing, as we always log all such baseline performance & tracking data from the onset of every race (and event YB Tracker always used etc).
  
  
  John Quirk Sun 00:15

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