• R14 vs Seamanship - The Great Greyness
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  Benjamin Harding Today 02:57
• Rule 19 - "Pass' vs 'Avoid' Language
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  Colin Mann Yesterday 01:01
• Shortened Course
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  David Keeling Thu 02:24
• An error in Appendix E 6.3 in the RRS 2025-2028
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  John Ball Mon 11:22
• Two boats crabbing simultaneously & definition of head to wind
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  Al Sargent Mon 01:20

• Rule 19 - "Pass' vs 'Avoid' Language
  Thanks to all for the robust discussion.  It has been helpful for me.  Rob, you are correct that some of my conundrum is around the word 'pass'.  I still feel there are very deliberate reasons why it is not used in RRS 20 and 'avoid' is used.  Angelo, your suggestion seems a better one.
  
  It is clear that I don't have support for my musing that in this instance - that if Blue chooses to gbye and parallel Green she is avoiding (not passing) the obstruction and 19 doesn't apply (where it would if she chose to head up, burdening Green with giving Blue room to pass).  So, starting from belief that RRS 19.2 applies .....
  
  I still have discomfort, if that is the case, that there is no guidance (as there is in RRS 20) about communication between Blue and Green as to intention.  Green is wondering whether she is going to be required to not just keep clear of the ROW boat but do so in enough time to leave room between her and Yellow.  Blue is wondering whether, if she choses to gybe, she will need to do so in time to leave room for Green to do the same between her and Yellow.  Further, it seems likely to me that in the process of Blue gybing, the overlap will be broken, leaving question in my mind about how long the obligation to give room endures?   Once the overlap is broken during the gybe does the obligation on Blue to give room expire and therefore, if an overlap is re-established by Green between Blue and Yellow, only the usual RRS 11,14, 15,17 apply?  
  If it does not expire with the break in overlap, how far down the leg does it it endure if the boats remain parallel and close to the same speed?  When does Yellow cease to be an obstruction - they do not meet the definition of a continuing obstruction.  
  Colin Mann Today 12:33
• Shortened Course
  I think the approach I've seen used is to tell them they have been finished on the previous lap. (Legally or illegally)
  
  I still think if we see the SIs it will clarify the situation with a phrase like 'The Race Officer may decide to finish boats at any time at his discretion. This may not be the lead boat, but results will be calculated on average lap time to ensure fairness, the aim being to keep the finishing window as short  as practicable' (I selected that frome Penzance Sailing Club who used it for handicap and non-handicap fleets) or from my club 'For a committee boat finish, flag S will be displayed on the committee boat accompanied by two sound signals. For a shore-based finish, two sound signals will be made. Boats will finish the race when they next pass through the start / finish line. Finishing position shall be determined on an average lap basis.'
  
  (Clearly purists will say start/finish line shouldn't be mentioned - but for an average club sailor that's clear and easier to understand than describing a gate. And for the even more purist, a Committee Boat should be called a signal vessel but I can say with certainty the club sailors know what a committee boat is and will think I've lost the plot if I say signal vessel.)
  Calum Polwart Yesterday 14:40
• Two boats crabbing simultaneously & definition of head to wind
  I think I can quickly prove to you that we reference points of sail based on true wind. Two pronged argument:
  1) Wikipedia repeatedly references "true wind" in their entry on Point of Sail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_of_sail#No-go_zone
  2) when foiling boats are going downwind and their apparent wind angle is a near reach, we do not describe them as near-reaching, nor as being on a beat to windward. If they briefly point directly downwind, and their sails luff from the bow due to the apparent wind, we would never suggest they were head-to-wind. 
  Niko Kotsatos Thu 13:58
• An error in Appendix E 6.3 in the RRS 2025-2028
  It is simpler and more direct to add to radio sailing NOR or SI:
  "A protesting boat shall inform the other boat at the first opportunity. This adds to E6.3."
  
  
  Philip Hubbell Wed 18:20
• "A proper look-out by sight and hearing....."
  There's nothing very unique about solo races in that respect. Take for example the Solong/Stena incident where an anchored tanker was hit in reasonable visibility  by another ship under autopilot. The captain is temporarily hosted at one of his Majesty's facilities.
  https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67f3dd5c53505b2ca44eff1a/Solong-StenaImmaculate-InterimReport.pdf
  
  
  Jim Champ 26-Mar-28 18:13

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