Forum: The Racing Rules of Sailing

From Course Side?

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John D. Farris
Nationality: United States
Scenario: 
The PRO directs the windward mark boat to shorten the course. The mark boat anchors directly upwind of the windward mark and displays flag S with two sound signals. The first two boats are beating to windward toward the first mark — one on port tack, the other on starboard tack.  When they reach the mark, the first boat rounds to port and the second boat rounds to starboard.

Question:
Which side — port or starboard — is the course side of the finishing line, and which boat has finished?

Created: Yesterday 18:59

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Angelo Guarino
Forum Moderator
Nationality: United States
Case 82 and Case 129

Put both of them in a pot and stir. 
Created: Yesterday 19:01
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John D. Farris
Nationality: United States
Thank you!
Created: Yesterday 19:02
Henry Pedro
Nationality: Canada
Am I reading the two cases correctly?  Case 82 says you can finish from either side (because the windward mark is no longer a mark of the course but it is now a finishing mark) and case 129 says you have to finish from the right, leaving the mark to your port side, while to the definition of "finish" which usually places the finishing boat to the right and the finishing mark to the left.
Can somebody clarify?
Created: Yesterday 19:43
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John D. Farris
Nationality: United States
Henry, you are correct. Let's say this was a nine-boat fleet, and light winds. Boats split the course—five finish to port (normal mark rounding if the race wasn't shortened) and four finish to starboard.
 
Created: Yesterday 20:04
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Angelo Guarino
Forum Moderator
Nationality: United States
John and Henry .. hmm .. that's not how I look at Case 129.

Let's take Case 129 first as it's more straightforward.  It basically restates the definition of finish .. in that a boat finishes when it crosses the finish-line from the course-side.  Once a rounding mark gets converted to a finishing-mark, it is the line definition and the course-side determination that takes precedence (and the original rounding designation no longer is relevant). 

The course side is determined by the rhumb-line from the previous mark to the finish-line.  The side of the line the rhumb-line intersects is the "course side".

Case 129's image shows it simply.  Though the mark was previously a port-rounding, to cross the newly formed finish-line from the course-side, boats must *leave the mark to starboard when they cross the line.

(*Note that they actually do not need to "pass" or "round" the mark.  A boat finishes when her hull crosses the line .. and by def: finish .. she need not cross the line completely .. that's why I used the word "leave").

Now Case 82 basically says that anytime a finish-line is laid such that is it difficult to determine which side is actually the course side, boats may cross the line from either side to finish.

In the OP .. assuming the previous mark was off the bottom of the picture, the rhumb-line from the previous mark was actually parallel to the finish-line (and thus doesn't actually intersect the finish-line on either side).  Therefore, Case 82 says that boats can finish by crossing from either side.

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Created: Yesterday 20:16
Tom Shenstone
This is why ROs are trained to put the S Flag end of the finish line in a place that makes the course side unambiguous, i.e. where the finish line will be perpendicular to the course from the previous mark.  Moreover, they're strongly advised to place the S Flag so that competitors can cross the line to on the same side of the original mark as they would have passed it as they rounded.  
Created: Yesterday 20:34
Al Sargent
Nationality: United States
Tom, so in the scenario above, if the race officer puts the finishing flag on the port side of the committee boat, the boats should finish on port tack, and vice versa? Or do I have it wrong?
Created: Yesterday 21:41
Tom Shenstone
The scenario above is the result of an error (a la baseball, not evil).  As the marksetter has laid the finish mark, they finish either way, on whatever tack they want since there is no obvious preference.  It would be legal but inelegant;  I wouldn't want to be dealing with redress on the issue, because local judges can be special. 

 A properly laid finish line would have the mark boat displaying the S flag set to starboard of the the mark, looking up the course, at a point that put the finish line between the mark boat and the mark at right angles to the course from the previous mark.
Created: Yesterday 22:12
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John D. Farris
Nationality: United States
 The course was shortened and signaled just like it says in the OP. So—what should the RC or Jury do in this case?
Created: Yesterday 22:18
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Angelo Guarino
Forum Moderator
Nationality: United States
John F re: "So—what should the RC or Jury do in this case?"

Follow Case 82. 
Created: Yesterday 23:09
Tom Shenstone
It doesn't matter which side of the mark boat the S flag is displayed on - the entire boat is a mark, and the position of the flag on the boat isn't clarifying.  In practice, the finish crew (probably the marksetters) will put the flag on their boat wherever they can attach it, with preference given to a spot from which they can sight the line.  

I feel that judges and race officers should do a bit of cross-training, so that everyone knows the rule issues and the practical ones.  
Created: Yesterday 22:19
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John D. Farris
Nationality: United States
I agree. 
Created: Yesterday 22:21
Tom Shenstone
The real issue in setting a finish line in a hurry is whether in the process one has forced decisions on the competitors.  If the S flag is up, the finish line can't be moved.  So one leaves it - if the jury wants to blow off half the finishers, the race will be a mess, and one hopes they won't want to go there.  

The RO (in the USA, the PRO - in Canada the PRO controls several race courses, and the RO runs the course, everyone else having a different title) is ultimately responsible for letting the marksetter err.
Created: Yesterday 22:28
Tom Shenstone
One of the most frustrating race management courses I ever attended was one where whenever I asked why a rule was there, or speculated that it was to prevent X, I was told by the assemblage of IROs teaching the course to shut up.  It helps me to know why th rules are as they are - I find the judges are much better at explaining that.
Created: Yesterday 22:35
Tom Shenstone
What a mess.  It is possible that if the RC produced a guessed finish order, by lining up the competitors in a room and asking them who finished where the RO could extract a finish result.  This approach has worked in regattas I've been in, when records were fragmentary.  Otherwise, the jury would have to write off the race.
Created: Today 01:07
Andrew Alberti
Since I live in the same area as Tom, I guess I might be one of the local judges who "can be special".  :-)
Case 82 is pretty clear.  The race officer should score all boats as finishing in the order they crossed the line (from either direction).  IF this goes to a redress request the judges should support the race officer who applied Case 82.  If the race officer did something different and it ends up with a redress request then the judges should grant redress and score all boats in the order they crossed the finishing line (from either direction).  
Created: Today 02:11
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