Forum: The Racing Rules of Sailing

Adding Race Days to a Series

Craig Priniski
Nationality: United States of America
Certifications:
  • Club Race Officer
Can a NOR be modified after the fact to add races to a series longer than a regatta?  I seem to recall it being at least frowned upon, but I'm not sure if it's prohibited.   
Created: 19-Oct-01 13:29

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Juan Ruggero
Nationality: Argentina
Certifications:
  • National Judge
  • Umpire In Training
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J 1.2 The notice of race shall include any of the following that will apply
and that would help competitors
decide whether to attend the event...
Under my point of view, knowing the number of races may be determinant for the competitor to decide to attend or not the event. So adding races after entry time will be wrong.
 
Created: 19-Oct-01 14:46
Craig Priniski
Nationality: United States of America
Certifications:
  • Club Race Officer
0
I tend to agree, struggling to communicate it though to management,,, 
Created: 19-Oct-01 15:25
Tim Hohmann
Nationality: United States of America
Certifications:
  • Club Judge
0
Adding races to an already scheduled racing day you would probably be OK with. But adding days when races were not originally scheduled would I think invite redress requests from boats that couldn't rearrange their schedules to sail on the added days. 

Unless maybe you arranged throwouts such that missing the added days wouldn't necessarily adversely impact a boat's score. 
Created: 19-Oct-01 15:45
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Angelo Guarino
Nationality: United States of America
Certifications:
  • Judge In Training
  • Fleet Measurer
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Craig, I would contend that it's not just wrong by the letter of the RRS, but also highly unfair in 2 major ways .. 
  1. competitors may loose their overall standings in the following races that they never signed-up for or contemplated
  2. some competitors may not be available to race and thus be unfairly disadvantaged in the series by their DNC scores.

I would suggest to your management  that, if they want to add day(s) of racing, that they create a new event for those days and make entry free for anyone who was entered in the existing event.  That way they can still enjoy extended time racing on the water but also close-out the previously defined event.  Maybe call it the "Leftover Bowl".
Created: 19-Oct-01 15:48
Tim Hohmann
Nationality: United States of America
Certifications:
  • Club Judge
0
For Ang's suggestion, the OA could also score each event separately and also score them together for combined honors. Everybody goes home happy.
Created: 19-Oct-01 16:20
Craig Priniski
Nationality: United States of America
Certifications:
  • Club Race Officer
0
Yeah I'm guessing no one will be happy. I forwarded Angelo's comments to the board members telling me to change it since it's in plain english, but they'll probably insist they know better. I'll just let someone else handle the series scoring...  
Created: 19-Oct-01 16:33
Tim Hohmann
Nationality: United States of America
Certifications:
  • Club Judge
0
Craig, do you have a feel for how the fleet would feel about the added races? If you don't think anyone would object and all would appreciate a longer series it might not be an issue. But of course all it takes is one objection... 
Created: 19-Oct-01 20:42
John Allan
Nationality: Australia
Certifications:
  • National Judge
  • Regional Race Officer
0
Rule 62.1 was changed a little while ago, specifically to allow 'proactive' redress in this sort of situation (emphasis added).

62.1 A request for redress or a protest committee’s decision to consider redress shall be based on a claim or possibility that a boat’s score or place in a race or series has been or may be, through no fault of her own, made significantly worse by
(a) an improper action or omission of the race committee, protest committee, organizing authority ... 

So if a boat requests redress citing the amendment to the NOR as an improper action, and she can convince the protest committee that the amendment changed a matter that 'would help competitors decide whether to attend the event', and that here score could possibly be made worse, she will be entitled to redress, being an arrangement as fair as possible for all boats affected.

Redress might be:
  • to declare the amendment to the NOR invalid;  or
  • to give the boat average points, if she did not eventually sail in the race.

Maybe if you discuss the hypothetical possibility of a request for redress with the OA, they might reconsider their position.

Can I ask why they suddenly think it is a good idea to add a race to the series?
Created: 19-Oct-01 22:44
Craig Priniski
Nationality: United States of America
Certifications:
  • Club Race Officer
0
Long story... We have a bunch of sailors on the side line who won't race because of the fear factor.  We decided to add lay day, Fun Races so we could teach and coach.  Some of the racers (including an incoming flag officer) object to giving up the day and have exerted executive influence to cancel the event and schedule more racing the week of... 
Created: 19-Oct-02 00:45
Marco Cimarosti
Nationality: Italy
Certifications:
  • National Judge
  • National Race Officer
0
Hi all, I think in this case it is not fair, but allowed as per RRS 89.2 (b).
Created: 19-Oct-02 12:48
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