Quick review of what I thought was a clear-cut situation that got a bit muddied the more we discussed it.
1. Three boats approaching a port rounding windward mark on port, bellow the port lay line. Boat 1. Inside, Boat 2. Middle, Boat 3. Outside and slightly ahead.
2. Boats 1&2 Enter the zone on port. Boat 3 well outside the zone then tacks onto the starboard lay line.
3. Boats 1&2 both tack to round, Boat 2 was not clear of boat 3, but rather than go above close-hauled, she ducks and then misses the mark rounding since she is no longer fetching.
My Read 18.3 does not apply since the outer boat ducked. 18 would not apply until they were on the same tack and we're unsure when the moment of the tack and the foul coincide. So I revert back to pos. Rule 13, or 16. against boat 2, would that be correct?
Facts Found:
To parse the Fact 2 above, I would ask green and red several questions about timing. Moving forward with assumed fact 3 and discussion:
3. Red began their tack to avoid promptly once Green reached close-hauled. (Green suggests Red should have continued to sail straight another boatlength to avoid, but Red felt they were doing the most prudent thing to try to avoid and were expecting Green to luff up instead of duck (as OP alludes to).)
Conclusion:
If Green then failed to fetch the mark, we need another diagram to show the position after the mark.
John
I'm not quite clear what you mean, but I think you are saying that we're not sure whether Green changed course to give Red room to keep clear before or after Red passed head to wind.
It certainly makes a difference with respect to RRS 18.3.
As diagrammed and described, it looks to me clear that Green bore away while Red was still on port tack and had not yet passed head to wind. In that case, when Red does pass head to wind RRS 18.3 does not apply, not just because Green ducked, but because, as a result of the duck, Green was not fetching the mark when Red passed head to wind.
If there was any doubt a protest committee should resolve that by applying the last point of certainty, that is, that R and G were on opposite tacks when Green changed course.
If you say that a right-of-way boat gave room to keep clear and the give way boat is exonerated for not keeping clear, wouldn't that mean that she wasn't given room to keep clear?
The Mark, RRS 18 and the Blue boat are irrelevant to the situation between Red and Green (imho) and only confuse.
My FF3 is an assumption, so I'm telling you why I landed there... I wouldn't write out the italic parts. I based it on the quote "but rather than go above close-hauled, she ducks"
Point taken on RRS 15/16... I won't refer to 16 while 15 is still in effect.
What is the point of 43.1 if not for this situation? We've been over this before, but 15 and 16 should say "make room" in that there was not initially room, but it was shortly thereafter created.
(I think if you want to discuss that last item, an email might be better than derailing this thread.)
Like this?
Green is the same tack leeward boat, entering the zone clear ahead of both Red and Blue. Green has right of way (RRS 12) and is entitled to mark-room (RRS 18.2(a)(2)).
Green may luff up and attack Red/Blue, and as long as she does not get outside the mark-room to which she is entitled, that is, initially, the direct corridor to the mark (Case 75), she will be exonerated for breaking RRS 16 by RRS 43.1(b), but if she passes head to wind (tacks) the following things will happen:
Disregarding Green, Red is the same tack leeward boat on Blue, entering the zone overlapped outside Blue Red has right of way over Blue (RRS 11), but is required to give Blue mark-room (RRS (18.2(a)(1)).
Red can luff up and attack Blue while they are outside the zone, subject only giving Blue room to keep clear in accordance with RRS 16.1, but once the first of them reaches the zone, any luff by Red will probably be denying Blue her mark-room and breaking RRS 18.2(a)(1).
Blue is required to keep clear of Red but is entitled to mark-room. Once Blue reaches a position where she can round the mark, she is entitled to do that, that is to say, she is entitled to room to luff up around the mark (including room for her stern to kick out, or to release a headsail to facilitate luffing to windward) UNTIL she passes head to wind, at which point /RRS 18 will cease to apply (RRS 18.1(a)(1) or (2)) and Blue will lose her entitlement to mark-room and to any exoneration under RRS 43.1(b).
Yes that's right: Blue is pinning Red and Green out.
Just as a tactical comment: Green has nobody but herself to blame for being a marshmallow. Any time she could have closed up the lee bow and squished Red out the back and got ahead and to windward with freedom to tack.