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The facts as I understand them...
- Forty-five Flying Dutchman dinghies are approaching the start.
- Three minutes before the starting signal, one boat is approximately three boat lengths from the pin end and half a boat length behind the starting line.
- The front crew member is standing on the bottom.
- The stated purpose is to "fix the boat's position."
Rule 45
Rule 45 states:"She may anchor or the crew may stand on the bottom."
Therefore, the mere fact that the crew member is standing in the water is not, by itself, a breach of Rule 45.The rule expressly permits a crew member to stand on the bottom, even after the preparatory signal.Rule 42.1
Rule 42.1 states that the boat shall compete using only wind and water to increase, maintain or decrease her speed.The critical question is whether the crew member is:- Simply stabilising the boat's position, or
- Actively pushing, pulling or holding the boat to gain an advantage.
Situation 1: Merely holding position
Suppose the crew member stands beside the boat and lightly holds it to prevent it drifting into another competitor while adjustments are made.
In that case, one could argue that the crew member is not increasing or decreasing the boat's speed, but merely exercising a right expressly permitted by Rule 45.
There would be no breach.Situation 2: Using the bottom as propulsion
Suppose the crew member repeatedly pushes the boat forward, drags it backwards, or walks along the bottom to reposition the boat into a better starting position.
Now the crew member is no longer merely "standing on the bottom"; he is using an external force to alter the boat's motion.
That would almost certainly breach Rule 42.1 because the boat is no longer competing using only wind and water.The key distinction
Rule 45 permits contact with the bottom.
Rule 42 prohibits using the bottom as an engine, brake or steering mechanism.My interpretation...The answer depends entirely on what "fixing the boat's position" actually means.- Standing on the bottom: permitted by Rule 45.
- Holding the boat stationary: permitted.
- Pushing, dragging or walking the boat into position: prohibited by Rule 42.1.
The protest committee would need to determine the facts:- Was the crew member merely preventing drift?
- Was the boat's speed changed?
- Did the crew member push or pull the boat?
- Did the boat gain a tactical advantage that would not otherwise have existed?
Those factual findings would determine whether Rule 42 was broken.Rene Nusse Today 23:25 -
Niko: I like your "the RC should always work to have an appropriate level of management commensurate with the competition level/importance" comment.
There is one event that may partner and I run every year ... the Warneet Around French Island race. While Monica runs the briefing giving numerous examples of the flags used during the start sequence there is usually an America's Cup skipper sitting quietly and respectfully at the back of the room with his family or mates. At the other end of the spectrum we have some who have NEVER raced before or perhaps doing their second race since last year.
During this race I tend to be very chatty on the radio to be sure that even those with the least experience have a great day on the water.
One boat in his first year actually missed the starting line, but we considered him a starter. The next year his missed the finishing line but we gave him a finish regardless. He was so pleased that he got the start right the second year ;-)
That said, it is quite a different matter if I am running a one-design race.David Taylor Fri 00:07 -
I fully endorse John Standley's summary.
And I add this:
Neither boat was required to act to avoid contact until it became clear that the other was not keeping clear.
There was no action that W could have taken in time before L's contact.
And L undoubtedly began trimming her main back in before contact occurred as fast as possible.
Hence, neither boat violated RRS 14.Philip Hubbell Thu 17:51 -
Jim Champ Reply to: 22039 - John Quirk: furthermore, in CASE 50, in the first sentence, it actually uses the term "genuine and reasonable apprehension" (this of course a standard used by courts with applications for an arrest in connection with non-bailable offences), and in the second sentence 'reasonable doubt' (again, a well-tested legal / court term). Quite some complexity for a competitor and PC to become acquainted with :).
John Quirk Wed 02:01 -
Ang I as well .. was just trying to clearly describe where/how the ambiguity resides that you pointed out.
And I appreciate it.(Why do I suddenly feel like I'm Charlie Brown and you're Lucy holding the ball! <g>).
I never called you a blockhead.John Allan Mon 19:26