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Joseph said It appears to me that a boat would not necessarily have to "unwind" back to the error, but is it compelled to re-sail the rest of the course once having corrected the fouled mark?
If her 'string' referred to in RRS Definition, Sail the Course does not comply with the requirements of Sail the Course (1), (2), and (3), to correct the error the boat must unwind the string so that it complies.Moot if it had properly met the definition of "Finish" and did not *continue to sail the course* to exonerate in any fashion?
I sat in on a hearing that had Arbitration applied to the two boats that had violated a mark by approaching it through a restricted zone.
It remains a question in my mind whether Appendix T allows for anything other than 44.1 or 31 that is not uniquely defined in Part 2,According to RRS T1 and T2, Post Race Penalties and Arbitration can only be applied to rules of Part 2 (that is, RRS 10 to 23) and RRS 31.
RRS Appendix T is not mentioned in RRS 86, which is the rule that limits changes to the RRS, so Appendix T can be changed by the NOR/SI if it is desired.
OA and race committees should be very careful about doing this, although the RYA used to use Arbitration for all sorts of things including redress.or even if the scope of Arbitration can be changed in the race documents, NoR or SI. Rule 28 being a clause in Part 3 "Conduct of a Race".
Arbitration and a 30% Post Race Penalty would be pretty risky for RRS 28 for the following reasons:- Unless the protestee immediately admits the breach, it will probably be a he said she said situation, without witnessed in the Arbitration Meeting, and the Arbitrator will probably need to decide that arbitration is not appropriate and close the meeting and send it to a full hearing.
- If the protestee admits the breach, it is very likely that the advantage gained will be more than what will be compensated by a 30% Post Race Penalty, or that the Arbitrator will be unable quantify the advantage, or that RRS 44.1(b) significant advantage may apply, and once again decide that arbitration is not appropriate and close the meeting and send it to a full hearing.
So, if Arbitration was applied to a RRS 28 protest, it would probably fail and there would have to be a protest hearing in any case.John Allan Today 22:31 -
Jolene, I think you're getting there.
Just to recap:
You want to use Mark H as an inner distance mark, without making it an obstruction.
Presumably you want the same to apply for both starting and finishing.
EDIT, AFTER SLEEPING ON IT
You also want to prohibit boats from sailing between Mark H and the Starting Box thus obscuring the race officers view of boats starting or finishing. This applies all the time while boats are still racing.
You have suggested the following
Yachts must keep west of H Mark from the first warning signal until all yachts have finished’.
This has some problems: it's defining a North - South line. Boats won't be able to take a dig in towards the beach at the Beaconsfield, or in towards St Kilda Beach or Pt Ormond, nor to sail into the Marina behind and to the East of the breakwater.
How about:
Boats shall not pass between Mark H and the Tower from the first warning signal until all yachts have finished’.
The line between the Tower and Mark H is not an obstruction.
Boats that do not pass between Mark H and Mark A when starting shall be scored OCS.
Boats that do not pass between Mark H and Mark A when finishing shall be scored DNF.
Obviously the Glossary for Starting Line will also need surgery.
And I know you're a Yacht Squadron, but the things we race under the RRS are called 'boats'. But maybe that's a change too far for now.
You need to be aware of Case 58
I think the OCS/DNF without a hearing SI will deal with this.
Has anybody got any more or different ideas?John Allan Today 15:06 -
I have just watched the Women's regatta on mastabeam. Fantastic.Justin Scott Today 15:04
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I see the dropbox in the form for "AI Involvement" now and hadn't noticed it earlier. Thanks for pointing it out!Stephen Lomnes Yesterday 21:57
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See discussion above.
Hitting an anchored boat may found a claim for damages, but does not break any IRPCAS rule.
Hitting a dock or pier, the same.John Allan Yesterday 00:23