Forum: The Racing Rules of Sailing

Drifting conditions

Mike Forbes
Nationality: United Kingdom
Certifications:
  • National Judge
In very light air, where boats “raft up “ at a mark and unavoidable minor contact occurs …. Often boats do not Protest.   However …. If there is a Protest, how should it be decided?    There used to be a rule that allowed “unavoidable minor contact “ somewhere in the past.    
It seems a bit unfair if boats eg are rounding a mark in v light air, then the wind completely disappears and minor contact occurs.  
Any advice on how to decide this ? 
Created: 21-Aug-01 11:05

Comments

Louis Mayo
Certifications:
  • Club Race Officer
  • National Umpire
  • National Judge
2
It depends a lot on the context, but the best solution in this situation may well be that the race committee decides to abandon the race if the fleet has been becalmed for a significant amount of time.

However, assuming this hasn't happened, boats that break a rule should take a penalty, and if they do not and are protested, should be disqualified.

A analogical situation is where a start line is heavily biassed, causing a significant pile-up at one end. Good race management practice would likely be to postpone the start and re-set the line. But, if that does not happen and the start proceeds, the rules must be applied as they are written. That is the only 'fair' outcome.

When applying the rules, note the definition Room - 'the space a boats needs in the existing conditions...' and also the first sentence of RRS 14 'A boat shall avoid contact with another boat if reasonably possible'. These provisions may well be relevant. 


Created: 21-Aug-01 12:05
Edward Post
Nationality: United States
0
This is one of those occasions where it might be best to remember the purpose of the rules which are simply to provide a safe, orderly and fair way to play the game and to use sportsmanship as the guiding principle:  no harm no foul...
Created: 21-Aug-01 12:22
Mike Forbes
Nationality: United Kingdom
Certifications:
  • National Judge
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Ah …. R14 “if reasonably possible”, that’s a help.   The very old rule used to say “minor unavoidable contact”, which R 14 now seems to cover in different language.  
Created: 21-Aug-01 12:35
Greg Dargavel
Nationality: Canada
Certifications:
  • National Judge
1
"no harm, no foul" is a breaking crest on a very steep wave. It is not a principle I see having a place in judging. 

This "rafting" at a mark does not happen instantaneously and is not just an act of Mother Nature or the wind gods. (yes, I acknowledge both these phrases may not be PC so I'm open to suggestions for better wording) The sailors' actions contribute to it. There are rules responses as noted above...RC action, appropriate application of RRS 14 to "protect" boats which have acted in accordance with RRS.
Created: 21-Aug-01 14:30
Tim Hohmann
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • Umpire In Training
  • Regional Judge
0
Sailors can't necessarily predict if or when the wind will shut off or drop to the point where their boats can't be controlled.

In this situation if none of the competitors felt moved to protest I don't see any reason why the RC or PC should.

If someone did protest I think you'd need to determine the facts and conclude whether it was reasonably possible for the boats involved to avoid contact in the existing conditions. If not, then no breach of rule 14 occurred. If the PC decides that contact was avoidable, then they'd need to decide if anyone was exonerated by rule 43.
Created: 21-Aug-01 17:51
Mike Forbes
Nationality: United Kingdom
Certifications:
  • National Judge
0
Thanks, this is all good comment. 
Created: 21-Aug-01 19:06
Alex Davis
Nationality: United Kingdom
Certifications:
  • National Judge
0
I always picture this photo whenever considering these scenarios.

[img]https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2016/09/GOT-traffic-jam-MAIN.jpg[/img]

Odds are, no-one will protest, but if they do I can't see how you can not hold a hearing, and penalise those that have broken a rule that's not exonerated. 

Created: 21-Aug-02 15:28
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
Certifications:
  • National Judge
  • Regional Race Officer
1
Tim,

The rules don't generally care whether a sailor can predict anything or whether their boats can't be controlled.

They generally just look at what boats do.

A give way boat has to exercise as much foresight or 'prediction' as is necessary for her to comply with the rules.

I strongly agree with Greg.

I'd point out that while contact is good evidence about rules breaches, rule 14 is not the right way to start in analysing a raft-up or any other scenario.  You need to conclude (I would suggest in this order):
  1. which boats were required to keep clear and whether any failed to do so.
  2. which boats were required to give room (under rules 15, 16, or 19) and whether any failed to do so.
  3. which boats were required to give mark-room or broke rule 18.3 (under rule 18) and whether any any failed to do so
  4. whether any boats that failed to keep clear or give room were entitled to mark-room and were sailing within that mark-room (which would lead to exoneration under rule 43.1(b))
  5. whether any boats that failed to keep clear or give room or mark-room were compelled to break that rule by another boat breaking a rule (which would lead to exoneration under rule 43.1(a))  AND ONLY THEN, with respect to contact between boats
  6. with respect to a boat not having right of way or not sailing within any room or mark-room to which she was entitled, whether it was reasonably possible for her to have avoided contact, in which case she broke rule 14
  7. with respect to a boat having right of way or sailing within the room or mark-room to which she is entitled, whether it was reasonably possible for her, acting no sooner than it was clear that the other boat was not keeping clear or giving room or mark-room, to have avoided contact (rule 14 last sentence):  If it was not possible, she does not break 14 at all.  
  8. If it was possible, but there is no injury or damage she is exonerated by rule 43.1(c).

Rule 14 last sentence limits the amount of foresight a boat having right of way or an entitlement to room is required to apply.  There is no such limitation available to a boat required to keep clear or give room:  unless she is obstructed from manoeuvering by another boat or an obstruction, it may be taken that she could have reasonably avoided contact by not sailing into a position close to the other boat in the first place.

Created: 21-Aug-04 00:21
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