Race Committee & Race Management
Definition of Boat?
There is no rule-book definition of "boat". Does it appear in any cases? Does it always include the skipper and crew?
In this case, it may determine who is the winner of a trophy. Full disclosure: I am currently holding the trophy, but feel I may need to give it up.
From our class rules (edited for "anonymity" as much as is possible):
In this case, it may determine who is the winner of a trophy. Full disclosure: I am currently holding the trophy, but feel I may need to give it up.
From our class rules (edited for "anonymity" as much as is possible):
The [donor name] “Away” Trophy is a perpetual trophy awarded to the highest finishing boat that is not a member of the host fleet in a National Regatta. The trophy is a pen and ink drawing by Jim Bob generously donated to the Target Sailing Association. The trophy was first awarded in 1996 to recognize that it is the boats, skippers and crew traveling to Nationals which make this annual event so special.
I want y'all's opinion on whether a team (skipper/crew) that borrows a boat from the host fleet should be eligible for this trophy. Note that person does not need to trailer their own boat, though they do have other challenges related to borrowing a boat. Two complicating factors:
1) Every once in a while, the fleet races Nationals far enough away that all travelers borrow boats.
2) The winner has at least occasionally been a boat-borrower, including me before.
Created: Yesterday 23:54
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I seriously doubt that it is the hull and other equipment; mast, boom, sails, etc., that is a member of the class and whose 'home' could be used to determine whether or not they are a member of the host fleet. It is the people, more specifically the skipper, who would be members of the class and thus have a home fleet.
If I were on the PC, I would probably say that a skipper who is not a member of the host fleet but is a member of the class would be eligible for this trophy. Whether the boat, equipment, or rest of the crew are 'local' would not be relevant.
Boat - A sailboat and the crew on board, that are subject to the rules.
The CR refer to 'highest finishing boat that is not a member of the host fleet in a National Regatta'.
A. The sailboat is 'a member of the host fleet', supposing that the class rules provide for a boat to be a member of a fleet: possibly not, many CA rules provide for people to be members, but not boats.
B. The crew on board are not members of the host fleet (are they?)
A is true. B is false
A AND B is false.
The sailboat and the crew on board are not members of the host fleet.
In the UK, BTW, conventionally all crews are deemed to be temporary members of the host club for the duration of the event. Might be something to do with alcohol licensing laws. So a particularly egregious logic chopper might suggest that all boats are local. Where lies insanity!
From the J105 Class Rules ..
"An Active Member shall be an Owner of a J/105 that complies with Class Rules and whose annual dues have been paid. Subject to Section 3.5, Group status is to be determined in accordance with the World
Then from our local J105 Fleet3 in Annapolis ...
"A voting member of the Association shall be a legal owner of a J/105 who complies
When this is done, there is often language that the chartered boat is treated "as their own".
For instance, in the J30 CR's ...
"Owners are eligible to helm another J/30 as if it were their own yacht, if it is loaned or chartered in either an event outside that owner’s home waters, or in any case where the owner’s own yacht has been damaged and is not capable of being sailed."
IMO .. an out of town team that charters a local boat is an out of town boat .. and that's how we've always treated them. Chartering J/105's common for big national events as they are a PITA/$$$ to move given their size.
It is a good idea to set this out in NOR so that it is clear, especially when there is a large sum of money riding on the prize.