The Racing Rules of Sailing

Limitations on Coaching or Outside Assistance in Filing a Hearing Request

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Angelo Guarino
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100% open question here.  Are there any limitations of any kind in receiving help, coaching, assistance from any source .. in filing-out and filing any hearing request for any type of hearing?
Created: Today 20:27

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Philip Hubbell
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$40 from The Daves?
Created: Today 20:36
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Angelo Guarino
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I don't understand Philip. 
Created: Today 20:37
Philip Hubbell
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Thinking of D.Perry and D.Delenbaugh. 
The pros teach how to file a protest. 
So I would say no restrictions. 
Created: Today 20:41
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John D. Farris
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Is this just for protests? Or are you asking about redress requests, reopening requests, Rule 69 misconduct, appeals to a national authority, arbitration, or international jury procedures as well?
Created: Today 20:42
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Angelo Guarino
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John F .. Yes .. any filing by a competitor for any hearing. 

PS:  Feel free to categorize and discriminate between them if you want. 
Created: Today 20:43
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Paul Zupan
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I would say it is not appropriate for a judge sitting on the panel to help a competitor fill out the form and then sit on the panel that hears it.  And I would propose that it 1. has the appearance of favoritism, 2. is not fair to the responding party as the help wasn't reciprocal, 3. appears to provide the competitor with the thought process of the judge.  I think these issues and others may or may not bleed over to other help.  For example, is it appropriate for the RO to help if the hearing request isn't a request for redress where it's not about the RC's actions (or inaction)?  I'm interested in what other judges think the issues might be where a competitor is helped with submitting a request.  What makes it inappropriate if and when you think it is...  
Created: Today 20:56
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Angelo Guarino
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Reply to: 21330 - Paul Zupan
Paul .. I agree.  That's a clear line. A judge sitting in the panel should not help. 

But what if I'm not judging at an event but a buddy calls me and asks me to help him file the hearing request to make sure the written filing meets validity? 

We should also check Code of Ethics/Conduct to make sure there isn't anything listed there. 
Created: Today 21:02
Craig Priniski
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In college sailing we create limits on before filing with the RC, but that doesn't address a hearing.  I don't know if any such restrictions exist outside of certain classes or events... 
Created: Today 21:00
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Michael Butterfield
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I often do youth events, and especially when their phones are not up to it. I do help competitors file prorests. I also lend a pc amd then leave them to it.
Just happy to get the protests to get rules compliance in fleets.
Created: Today 21:08
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