Forum: Protest Committee & Hearing Procedures

Does a competitor "see the incident" if they see it on a video?

Mark Townsend
Nationality: United States
Under rule 60.4(a)(2) A protest is invalid if ... she was not involved in it or did not see the incident.

A competitor watching a replay of the start sees two boats make contact. Neither boat takes a penalty although it is clear from the video that there was contact. The competitor notifies both parties and files a hearing request within the time limit alleging that both boats broke rule 14 and neither took a penalty.

1) Does seeing a video of an incident meet the requirement to "see the incident"?
2) Is the protest valid?
3) If valid what penalties, if any, should be imposed by the protest committee?
Created: Today 18:39

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Michael Butterfield
This seems to be messed upin the newrules, withe the new validity rules, even if you see but were not involvedin an incident you cannot protest. 

It is an absurd change but seems to be a reallity. 
Created: Today 19:01
John Leech
well spotted, and what an interesting unintended consequence 
Created: Today 19:33
Sue Reilly
That is why I change it in the SIs:

Rule 60.4(a)(2) is changed as follows: “if it alleges a breach of a rule of Part 2 or rule 31 and is
from a boat that was not involved in and did not see, the incident, or”.
Created: Today 19:57
Wayne Balsiger
Nationality: United States
I think the intent of the words "see the incident" means see it on the water when it happened. That also means that on the water RRS 44 Penalties at the time of an incident are still available to the competitor.
Created: Today 19:09
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