Forum: Match and Team Racing Rules

RRS 42 - Team Racing

Mike Alison
Nationality: New Zealand
Certifications:
  • International Judge
  • National Umpire
So Regardless of what the RRS say under Appendix D2.3(a).........at a regional schools event that will determine seeding for the Nationals, is it appropriate to penalise sailors under RRS42.2....particularly legs 2 and 4. 
I was amazed that in 84 matches there was not 1 protest under RRS 17 for sailing above a proper course on leg 3

Interested in comments 
Created: 19-Mar-31 08:11

Comments

Doc Sullivan
Nationality: United States of America
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I think these need to be umpires races. In the college circuit the sailors are quite knowledgeable and will hail proper course on leg 2,3,4 when they know it isa 17 overlap. They make the proper course call nd the leeward boat does not head them up.  On leg 3 they spend 1/2 the leg luffing to break the overlap or jibing into a luffing overlap.  To take a protest into the room is a waste of time as most of the time when they luff up to break the overlap noone  is sure if they did or didnot  break that overlap
Created: 19-Mar-31 15:24
Mike Alison
Nationality: New Zealand
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My comment regarding protesting was that there was not 1 protest from a windward boat that the LW boat was sailing above a proper course....nothing to do with going into the room.....just surprising, I was expecting the better teams to be much more aware of the rules. 
As to RRS 42 penalties....do sailors expect to be penalised and or is it officious to be penalising them......In years gone by when Rule 17 applied in Match Racing, we used to get tons of flags asking the question, especially on downwind legs.
Created: 19-Mar-31 19:11
Doc Sullivan
Nationality: United States of America
Certifications:
  • National Judge
  • National Umpire
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A 42 penalty should be called by the umpires when warranted.  mostly seen at the start ( sculling up and down, sculling below close hauled, connected tacks or jibes, pumping, rocking.  Hopefully the umpires are knowledgeable in 42.  The same standards should be applied to all regattas so that when it comes to qualifying regattas and championship regattas they are not playing by different rules. 
Created: 19-Apr-01 00:26
Luke Tupper
Nationality: Australia
Certifications:
  • National Judge
  • National Umpire
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Hi Mike, 

We also ran our equivalent in Victoria this weekend. We had a couple of teams protest about rule 17 overlaps, but not a huge number trying to turn it off. In lighter conditions I know our guys will double gybe to turn off 17 on the leg between 2-3, but we probably averaged close to 15 knots for most races. 

As for rule 42 we take Doc's approach, we try to set the same standard in all our events, although this can be difficult if you are 1 umpire with 6 boats. 
Created: 19-Apr-01 07:15
Murray Jones
Nationality: Australia
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  • National Umpire
  • Club Race Officer
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I suspect Mike that too many team racers have been corrupted by match racing!
As for 42, there is no reason why there should be any less than in the past.   I expect we'll see some umpire-initiated 42 calls at the Aus school nationals and the Inter-doms.
Created: 19-Apr-01 07:17
Mike Alison
Nationality: New Zealand
Certifications:
  • International Judge
  • National Umpire
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I am more than happy to enforce the rules as a judge or Umpire....I was fishing for comments was this over the top....do schools expect to get away with whatever because Judges / Umpires are soft!!
Created: 19-Apr-01 08:03
Luke Tupper
Nationality: Australia
Certifications:
  • National Judge
  • National Umpire
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Sound like just the NZ ones are soft 🤣
Created: 19-Apr-01 22:13
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