I'm starting a new thread here as I didn't want to divert the discussion and its resolution there in Stavros' thread. Capsize in the zone and some questions....
Twice now, we've had posts which try to deal with capsized boats and RRS 18 and issues of overlap, passing through the wind, etc.
I would like to offer 2 points from my personal opinion ..
- that it is not 100% reasonable for the RRS to expect other competitors to assess W/L sides of a capsized boat, whether or not their bow passed through the wind while capsized, etc, .. with what will be a low and unfamiliar profile of overturned hull and without the visual clues of a mast, a main and a boom in the air or a hull in its upright orientation, and
- that assessing these rights and conditions takes focus away from what I see is the primary SAFETY-ISSUE as we likely have sailors in the water with boats whizzing by and around them.
For instance, imagine 2 boats capsized adjacent to each other and end up in the water pointed in the same direction. The windward boat gets blown into the leeward boat and makes contact. Can the leeward boat protest the windward boat for RRS11 violation? Seems to me a capsized boat, though still "racing" is in a special state-of-being and should be treated as such .. for both clarity of boats around them as well as the safety of all concerned.
What would it break (i.e. ... How would it make things more complicated or worse?) if the RRS specifically deemed capsized boats Obstructions and that Part 2 A,B & C as well as "Overlap" didn't apply to them until they are no longer "capsized" (as defined in RRS 23 "A boat is capsized when her masthead is in the water.")?
At first blush, this is how I think this could look ...
23 CAPSIZED, ANCHORED OR AGROUND; RESCUING
If possible, a boat shall avoid and Keep Clear of a boat that is capsized or has not regained control after capsizing, is anchored or aground, or is trying to help a person or vessel in danger. A boat is capsized when her masthead is in the water.
Part 2 WHEN BOATS MEET (preamble)
The rules of Part 2 apply between boats that are sailing in or near the racing area and intend to race, are racing, or have been racing. Sections A, B and C do not apply between boats while at least one of them is capsized.
Clear Astern and Clear Ahead; Overlap
One boat is clear astern of another when her hull and equipment in normal position are behind a line abeam from the aftermost point of the other boat's hull and equipment in normal position. The other boat is clear ahead. They overlap when neither is clear astern. However, they also overlap when a boat between them overlaps both. These terms always apply to boats on the same tack and never apply between boats while at least one of them is capsized. They apply to boats on opposite tacks only when rule 18 applies between them or when both boats are sailing more than ninety degrees from the true wind.
No need to make a change to Obstruction's def if "keep clear" is added to RRS 23 .. and I could argue that's not necessary either as a capsized boat can meet the definition already
As always, I'm interested in everyone's thoughts and perspectives.
- Does the above break something?
- Does it clarify or muddy?
- Does it improve or degrade the safety issue?
PS .. Curious that the term "Capsized" is defined inside RRS 23 and not simply a defined term in Definitions. Seems to me to be unique in this regard?